Helluva Boss Mafia - Mafia Victory

[Magnus]

A claimed vigilante mightn’t be the most pressing target.

[Zone_Q11]

Ah, I see.

[Lemonfairy]

@Magnus

these posts kinda concerned me from Lemon before

I needed to uno reverse that call you made and make you an unlikely target to be NK’d with me
that’s what you get for not letting me be NK’d

[Lemonfairy]

@Zone_Q11

That would be more plausible than having no scum on Ashlyn’s wagon. The best world would be if Frost was scum, coupled with two of [Chihiro, Lissi, Gorta]. (This would somewhat explain his lax nature; his scumbuddies could’ve just parked their vote on Ashlyn and just go AFK.)
…oh, and I guess Eliza could also be part of w!Frost’s scumbuddy too.

I don’t get why Frost + 2 of Chihiro/Lissi/Gorta would be the “best” world

[Magnus]

I kinda wanted to be NK’ed, though. I like being a martyr.

[Lemonfairy]

worlds where Frost (and Chihiro) are wolves

World 1:

@Host_Account_5

Ashlyn (7): Chihiro, Gorta, Lissi, ElizaThePsycho, Mistyx, Zone_Q11, Frostwolf103
Frostwolf103 (3): Lemonfairy, Neon, Magnus
Wazza (2): Ashlyn, Zorvo
Lissi (1): Wazza

World 2:

@Host_Account_5

Ashlyn (7): Chihiro, Gorta, Lissi, ElizaThePsycho, Mistyx, Zone_Q11, Frostwolf103
Frostwolf103 (3): Lemonfairy, Neon, Magnus
Wazza (2): Ashlyn, Zorvo
Lissi (1): Wazza

World 3:

@Host_Account_5

Ashlyn (7): Chihiro, Gorta, Lissi, ElizaThePsycho, Mistyx, Zone_Q11, Frostwolf103
Frostwolf103 (3): Lemonfairy, Neon, Magnus
Wazza (2): Ashlyn, Zorvo
Lissi (1): Wazza

World 4:

@Host_Account_5

Ashlyn (7): Chihiro, Gorta, Lissi, ElizaThePsycho, Mistyx, Zone_Q11, Frostwolf103
Frostwolf103 (3): Lemonfairy, Neon, Magnus
Wazza (2): Ashlyn, Zorvo
Lissi (1): Wazza

in terms of likelihood, idk I’d say W3 > W2 > W1 > W4 ??

[Zone_Q11]

Because otherwise it’d imply that all three mafia are exactly [Chihiro, Lissi, Gorta], who had all voted Ashlyn before dipping out. Which begs the question: Why did they choose Ashlyn over Frost? If Frost was mafia, then it makes more sense to park a vote at Ashlyn before going AFK.

Also you forgot Eliza. Except Eliza was present at EOD, which… doesn’t really pull her out of POE if Frost is mafia now that I think about it.

[Zone_Q11]

To me, it’s W1 = W2 > W3.
I’ve seen Neon play in the past, and I don’t understand why w!Neon would vote Frost.
I haven’t paid attention to Zorvo, so I can’t put W4 anywhere.

[Magnus]

I’m actually vibereading Gorta as Town this game, although I don’t really have a tangible reason in my mind that doesn’t sound silly. I just feel like he’d care more about shading a couple other players, as he did in AI Upick for his partners, so he apparent helpful. I’m not seeing that here.

An admittedly weak reason, but a reason nonetheless.

[Lemonfairy]

I think me remembering Neon being pro-bussing had something to do with it
but actually, you’re probably right since I don’t really see why wolf!Neon would bus in this instance unless she’s prepared to carry the team for the rest of the game

[Lemonfairy]

would agree here

[Lemonfairy]

@Magnus what do you think of Zorvo so far?
anything pinging you there?

[Lemonfairy]

skimming through Starcraft and Zorvo’s ISO here and I think they’re still ok overall
(Magnus pls confirm/deny this b/c I don’t have as much confidence here)

[Lemonfairy]

btw what did you guys think of Wazza’s vote on Lissi?

[Zone_Q11]

Lack of substance. Sus.
Then again, I am prejudiced against slankers.

[Magnus]

I feel like Zorvo’s missing his fire, but that’s all I’ve consciously registered. Here’s a wolfcase (worst possible light look) I wrote after looking at his posts:

@Zorvo

Call this gut if you want.
But I don’t think Magnus speaks about a partner like this.

So Magnus/Lemon unaligned.

@Zorvo

Vibes, I feel you.

VOTE: Chihiro

This does remind me of his Starcraft game, though. Starting off with a fairly weak read because that’s how he perceives he’ll be expected, but sheeping your vote is probably NAI. It can’t be a buss or a push either way, but I would expect a hypothetical w!Zorvo to unvote w!Chihiro sooner rather than later.

@Zorvo

Fuck that’s hard.
I would normally say Chocolate but like.
I also like Butterscotch.
I like Vanilla.
I like Chocolate Bar Ice Cream Flavours like Reese’s, Smarties, KitKat, etc.

So I can’t really give you a straight answer on this one.

Zorvo likes to play around as either alignment, I dunno. But he responded to this post an hour after, and he was similarly committed to that joke readlist in Starcraft, so… iffy.

@Zorvo

Hey where is that PFP I gave you?

Similarly, he’s committed to this line of questioning. This might’ve gone in Mafia chat instead if they were aligned, but that’s not a real read.

@Zorvo

Zone Gut Town.
No real logical reason, I just liked his response to FrostWolf.

Similarly to the unaligned read, this is a weak enough read. Gutreading a villager as villager isn’t…

@Zorvo

I play with him, don’t really pick up on his meta.

Kinda partnery though if Frost’s a wolf.

@Zorvo

Why are you so quick to assume this?
Tons of people fake claim Vigilante even as VT for example, it’s not uncommon.

Exposition.

@Zorvo

@Mistyx
Why do you townread Lissi?

Doesn’t really follow up on this.

@Zorvo

@Mistyx

i’m suspecting zorvo and neon right now

im also curious why you’re saying me and ash is more likely w/w without giving a proper read on us :3

Your suspecting me for what again?

Potential motive for killing Mist.

@Zorvo

If it’s for that sheep vote I’m genuinely not surprised.
If it’s for not acting the way I usually do on a senseD you need to catch up to date and realize I’m trying to self improve.

@Zorvo

@Magnus

Do you feel like you’re right to be suspected?

Absolutely but it depends on the persons reasons.

This isn’t really performative, but it could be seen as “a wolf thinking they’re being rightly suspected for the wrong reasons

”.

@Zorvo

Fuck, couple more of these and I’ll just call Lemon Lock Town.

This was a sentiment I agreed with, which is why I bothered to call for TP on Lemon, for the record. But from Zorvo, here, this read kinda comes from nowhere? Zorvo and Lemon barely interacted, the post comes from two unaligned reads… one from me, one from Mist… which can only make this a joke.

[quote=“Zorvo, post:439, topic:3873, full:true”]

@Neon

@Frostwolf103

Although five people voted against you:

Mistyx
(Myself)
Ashlyn
Zone_Q11
Eliza
[/quote]

At least and probably exactly one of these is a wolf.

So basically you think 1/4 of Zone, Ash, Mist and Eliza is a wolf?

If Zorvo’s a wolf, I think all four are probably Town, and probably Neon as well. It’s like he’s trying to get her to commit to this read, and we already know Ashlyn and Mist are Town, Zone’s probably Town and only Eliza’s in question.

@Zorvo

I was kinda hesitant to ask this question cause I already think your town and that’s a big purpose of this question is to get a read But I’m gonna ask it anyway.

Why do you townread me?

This question is interesting.

@Zorvo

Good Explanation.
I’m content with my town read on you and will shield you from being executed today.

@Zorvo

Yeah Gorta is probably town.
They are responding to Lemon here genuinely.

They are content on the fact there is not much content to go off of.
I find that a good look for Gorta.

This is pretty much the extent of Zorvo’s solving on D1.

@Zorvo

It’s SoD1 and you’re questioning a sheep vote is lol.
Calling it wolfy is one thing but expecting my posts be completely justifiable is a lol no.

Once again, getting the “correctly suspected for incorrect reasons” vibe from this.

@Zorvo

It’s just that I want to call it more then a gut but can’t find everything together right now to do so.

All I got is they can’t be aligned with Magnus or Misty.

Either way, it definitely feels like Zorvo’s playing passively, but…

@Zorvo

I’m gonna answer for you.
Yes I’m usually a passive wolf more so then not and will sometimes take thread control and go on the aggressive.
However as I said before, self improvement and I want to be more friendly and logical towards others or try my best to

Zorvo’s self-aware of his own wolfmeta, and would surely attempt to shy away from acting as such this game if he were evil, right?

[quote=“Zorvo, post:547, topic:3873, full:true”]

@Neon

@Zorvo

So basically you think 1/4 of Zone, Ash, Mist and Eliza is a wolf?
[/quote]

No that’s not what that said at all

Also not zone i was lied to.

So 1 out of the people on Magnus was wolf. This assumes Magnus is town but ink decently confident in that read.

So 1/4 if Magnus is town?
Is that what your saying?

This feels unaligned.

@Zorvo

If ima do a GTH solve, ima definitely have Neon and Mist there but it’s still early game.

Killing a scumread of his? Would Zorvo do this?
Hmm.

@Zorvo

VOTE: Misty

Tbh tbh.

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@Zorvo

Ok that’s actually fair.

VOTE: unvote

Mayhaps…

@Zorvo

Hmm who is a player I haven’t engaged with yet for a read that could be a wolf?

Chihiro or Wazza of whom should I vote?

I think I’ll go in the order I have.

VOTE: Chihiro

Frostwolf103 (2): Lemonfairy, Neon
Wazza (2): Ashlyn, Zone_Q11
Ashlyn (1): Chihiro
Neon (1): Mistyx
Zorvo (1): Frostwolf103
Chihiro (1): Zorvo

Not Voting (5): ElizaThePsycho, Wazza, Gorta, Lissi, Magnus

Chihiro wasn’t even a wagon when Zorvo voted them.

@Zorvo

As for FrostWolf there has been stuff that pinged me the wrong way from reading but vibes than anything.

The dude also asked to be executed and I tend to avoid voting people who ask that cause more of the time then not they are town.

@Zorvo

I don’t wolf read Mist anymore after their last response.
I wouldn’t say I town lean them at all, MAYBE Null Town but even that might be a bit too pushy of a given read but I’ll put them there anyway and see how things progress with her.

@Zorvo

@Chihiro

becausea you straight up made a post stating your trying to make their posts seem in poor light so others see that the slot is scum.

That’s kinda how I felt tbh.

VOTE: unvote

@Zorvo

Can’t really say Ash is town read but I’ll vote this slot who I don’t really have any read on since Ash already has lots of votes.

VOTE: Wazza

@Zorvo

@ElizaThePsycho

nevermind

VOTE: Frost

VOTE: Ash

What’s that?

@Zorvo

Eliza might be wolves with Ash if they are town from that switch vote to Frost but Wazza might be better vote.

VOTE: Wazza

Have to get back to work now.

All in all, Zorvo looks like a wolf. He also looked enough like a wolf in AI Upick that I was able to frame him rather easily, so… whatever.

[Magnus]

[Chihiro]

Ill get to this tomorrow.

[Chihiro]

@Zone_Q11

…let’s be honest here: This is very focused on [Magnus, Zorvo, Neon] if Mafia killed Mistyx because she was deemed as a threat. I dunno about Zorvo and Neon, but I don’t see w!Magnus ever killing Mistyx for this reason.

i mean if this is the case this could be a reason they died, but on the otherhand this would just put spotlight on those names more so than if they just left her alone.

I was kind of hoping a vigilante did exist so it could hit the counter wagon

I also do beleive that Zone is correct to state that the people who sat on Ashlyn in a chill manner or more than likelier to be scum. I wouldn’t go as far to say the entire train is scum because Im pretty sure one atlkeast exists outside of it. If I were the pick the sitting scum it prob be Gorta, since I like Lissi currently. Until Frost is solved I believe they are scum since the likely hood of a hammer on n1 is very slim, unless mafia is worried the counter train is a wolf.

[Chihiro]

I wanna point out this is kinda bs since Gorta is often unreadable because of how they play, though I would like to understand why u beleive your vibes. The idea of shading people not being here is kinda irrelevant i feel.