Lissi talking to or about Frost on D2:
Lissi:
vote Ashlyn
vote Frost
vote Wazza
vote Neon
I decided against 2 mainly because I saw that Neon voted Frost, and I think I decided then that maybe bussing wasn’t super likely, idk. Also because I hadn’t looked into Frost at all; they were very much under my radar until that day.
At least they’re aware about their limited interaction with Frost D1.
Lissi:
I did read Frostwolf’s ISO, and Neon’s, and compare my readlist with Mistyx’s, though.
I don’t want to theorize on wagonomics right now because it’s not really my forte, and since Zone has already written a nice and complete analysis, I’ll just vote Frostwolf and solve and talk slowly later.
Reading through his ISO doesn’t really make me feel he’s towny, anyways. Esp the sneaky scumreads, kinda wish I had found the time to read it earlier.
VOTE: Frostwolf
Lissi:
scumteam is prob not gorta/wazza/frost
because I think all 3 scumread me for some reason or another (wallpost, or something) when generally half the playerbase had a semi-positive read on me I think (vocally, like… 6 ppl, with exception of ashlyn who was vocal about scumreading me and was town)
and I think the vote theory prob also applies here, like entire scumteam wouldn’t vote for one out of two town wagons for no reason, entire scumteam prob won’t all take one side when it comes to a read on a player
right?
Lissi:
do you have any read on Frost? or any thoughts about his wagon today?
Lissi:
How is Magnus saying Zorvo should have followed up on his question to Mistyx about me, Mistyx calling Zorvo sus, and Ashlyn flipping green supposed to be connected?
Frostwolf103:
I can see that as well
Didn’t I say all of that before you dumped that scumread on me all of a sudden at EOD anyways?
I don’t get it, what changed?
Lissi:
Frostwolf103:
This
Well, I still don’t think it makes sense. Why go for a “maybe collaborator” over a “certain wolf”?
Also, overall it feels like you’re just saying that if Zorvo is wolf, the more strongly he townreads someone, the more likely they are to be his scumbuddy.
Which… the conclusion doesn’t make sense, and you don’t even know or want to verify if the premise is true.
Lissi:
You said you were confused about what I was saying, and refused to ask me to summarize what my point was or just read my already existing summaries or talk to me at all until you decided scumread time, and brought up your analysis post instead of my actual post, multiple times, to Magnus, because… you wanted him to acknowledge your post? Or what?
And you still townread him, which is why even though Zorvo/Gorta is not even “witch-hour vibes” to you, you are 100% among the hot tier Gorta is w!Zorvo’s would-be scumbuddy and not Magnus? Or is there another reason for your confidence?
tl;dr seemed like genuine miscommunication about what Zone’s intentions were with the vote, and if they were partners I don’t think they’d have this awkward miscommunication conversation in thread
Lissi:
If you always intended to vote Gorta first, then why would you not make everyone/Gorta interactions?
Because from your posting today, it looks like you went through Zorvo, based interactions off Zorvo’s reads, which to me seems incredibly pointless if you don’t even think Zorvo’s definitely mafia, and then out of the hot interactions, just decided on Gorta out of those.
And then afterwards, you start to claim that it had always been your intention to start with Gorta, and that you always thought he was wolf.
…There’s quite a bit of this, but Lissi just starts digging into Frost D2. I’ll skip that and focus on Lissi’s perspective on Frost.
Lissi:
if Frost flips scum, would you say all of today was just self-pres + anti-spew mode?
I think it would’ve been pretty obvious by the time he came on that he was the mostly likely exe for the day
Lissi:
Like previously a lot of my scumleans led nowhere, e.g. Ashlyn flipped town, and after talking to Neon, I think she’s likely town.
IDK if Frost’s flip will really affect my read on Wazza bc they didn’t have that much interaction, but at least it’s better than trying to read Mistyx’s iso like 3 times!
Lissi:
Lemon’s saying you/Frost are prob not W/W in a w!Frost world bc you didn’t vote Ashlyn (the other top wagon) D1.
I said that’s not a very strong point against being W/W bc at the time, you and Frost were the top wagons, and voting Ashlyn would’ve just tied her with you two, at 2 votes.
And you didn’t vote Ashlyn later to push her over Frost bc you weren’t there.
Voting me in a vanity wagon really doesn’t change much from my POV, but it might make you look more natural and more like you’re genuinely trying to solve at your own pace.
Lissi:
I don’t see why you can’t do both, and investigate me/Magnus being W/W too if you think we’re both wolves; like, I want to exe both you and Frost, at the same time. It’s not mutually exclusive.
also you can share your conclusions based on my answers now if you haven’t already
Lissi:
I’m saying, you could be convincing us that we’re wrong, and that is actually just me and not Frost.
I think it’s you and Frost, which is why I’m now focusing on you despite leaving my vote on Frost. But you don’t even think it’s Frost, so shouldn’t you be trying harder to exe someone you think is actually wolf, i.e. me? I don’t get your apathy here.
Lissi:
Magnus:
That’s it. Everyone’s settled on Frost… if he’s Mafia, that probably means his death’s been accepted? I could look at which players haven’t really commented on his wagon, not really engaging instead of bussing or protecting him? Would anyone else do that?
Well, Wazza hasn’t engaged much with the wagon.
I also kinda thought there wasn’t as much resistance as there should be, esp since before Frost came on yesterday, no one even said anything for like 7 hours. Or well, it was ~15 posts, maybe.
Frost did come in swinging though, and I guess I kinda wondered if he was town… but I guess, it’s still plausible that he could be thinking 3 votes isn’t that much like Wazza said, and therefore he might still be saved? Hence the effort.
The posts themselves didn’t seem that towny though.
Lissi:
If you flip town, I guess everyone’s going to check the other Ashlyn voters from D1
Maybe look at the D1 Magnus voters
And maybe look at D2? But I’m pretty sure there are also people here who are voting you bc your flip is informative about a lot of other groups even if they aren’t fully convinced you’re town
It might impact my read on Wazza, though I don’t think it will that much bc you two are mainly independently scumread by me, not because of interactions
