Helluva Boss Mafia - Mafia Victory

[Lemonfairy]

ok, I acknowledge my wrongness

[Lemonfairy]

no wonder they didn’t bother to kill me

[Lemonfairy]

I might just potato today

[Zone_Q11]

I have a couple questions and I need answers ASAP.
@Lemonfairy, what’s your read on Zorvo?
@Neon, what’s your read on Lissi?
@Zorvo, what’s your EOD3 read on Wazza and why?

[Lemonfairy]

@Zone_Q11

what’s your read on Zorvo?

could be wolf

[Magnus]

@Zorvo

@Magnus
IDRC what you say, you need to reveal today!

Can’t.

[Zone_Q11]

@Lemonfairy

I might just potato today

@Lemonfairy

@Zone_Q11

what’s your read on Zorvo?

could be wolf

I need more than some ambiguous hedge-y “could be wolf”.
Please give me your full readslist.
–no, for starters, who the heck are in your POE?

• At SOD3, it was [Chihiro, Wazza, Neon]. Chihiro is obv!Jailkeeper and Wazza flipped town.
• A couple hours before EOD3, you said that -if you took me out of your POE- then Neon would be town and “Zorvo is probably fine too”. Who were your POE as of this moment?
• At EOD3, when Wazza/Lissi/Zorvo was at 3/2/1, you voted Zorvo.
• In the end, you ended your vote with Wazza.

Like, I am trying to understand your progression, only to find out there was no progression.

[Lemonfairy]

@Zone_Q11

who the heck are in your POE?

I have no idea rn
we’ll see

[Zone_Q11]

VOTE: Lemonfairy

If you have no idea what to make of your POE, then make one right now.
I originally asked you for your POE so I can understand your thought process; I had other people as my suspects. However, now I am really questioning whether you are town or not.

[Lemonfairy]

@Zone_Q11

If you have no idea what to make of your POE, then make one right now.

I’m very burnt out and I have no energy so no
my POE just got obliterated so I have low confidence in all my reads and I’m paranoid about pretty much everyone

[Zone_Q11]

Hm… Well, okay. I guess I will continue asking questions in the meantime.
@Magnus, why can you not reveal [something] Today?
Or rather, what do you think Zorvo meant by “revealing”?

[Magnus]

Since our protective died last night, my days are numbered. I’m going to ISO every living slot in order and share my thoughts on everyone, so don’t take it personally.

@ElizaThePsycho

With every player here, we could quickhammer Magnus
Think of the rewards you will reap!
VOTE: Magnus

Weird late vote after the wagon had dissolved. I know it looked weird at the time, but this couldn’t be opportunistic unless Eliza wasn’t reading the thread; and either way, why would a wolf draw such attention to themselves, or not bother reading the thread? Strangely enough, I see this as rand>town.

@ElizaThePsycho

it was an RVS vote
UNVOTE

This excuse doesn’t really make sense, unless Eliza missed the point of RVS. I don’t believe we’ve really interacted much at all this game.

@ElizaThePsycho

Yeah but that doesn’t mean we aren’t out of RVS

The last time I remembered anyone claiming Town was still in RVS, they were a wolf.

@ElizaThePsycho

What does this mean

Eliza was briefly suspected by Ashlyn… although our first dead unvoted soon after, interestingly enough.

@Ashlyn

You don’t usually stop your push when people point it out randomly
And you got extra defensive when you did it too

Might be worth keeping in mind.

@ElizaThePsycho

not today
that’s impossible
i can try to contribute to do it later but

Doesn’t care about looking good?

@ElizaThePsycho

it is physically impossible for me to make enough D1 content to be cleared

Impossible for you, or impossible in general?

@ElizaThePsycho

can somebody explain the case on ashlyn

@ElizaThePsycho

ill support an ashyln wagon i suppose
VOTE: Ashlyn

@Frostwolf103

I am town, that’s all you need to know.

@ElizaThePsycho

nevermind
VOTE: Frost

Frostwolf103 (4): Lemonfairy, Neon, Mistyx, ElizaThePsycho
Ashlyn (3): Chihiro, Gorta, Lissi
Wazza (3): Ashlyn, Zone_Q11, Zorvo
Lissi (1): Wazza
Chihiro (1): Magnus

Not Voting (1): Frostwolf103

@ElizaThePsycho

okay im untying the wagons
VOTE: Ashlyn

Ashlyn (5): Chihiro, Gorta, Lissi, Zorvo, ElizaThePsycho
Frostwolf103 (3): Lemonfairy, Neon, Mistyx
Wazza (2): Ashlyn, Zone_Q11
Lissi (1): Wazza
Chihiro (1): Magnus

Not Voting (1): Frostwolf103

In hindsight, Eliza’s D1 looks terrible. Barely active, doesn’t really care about appearing good, and casts a deciding vote which saves a wolf.

@ElizaThePsycho

uhhh
i think i had some earlier
lemme try to remember them

Eliza initially leans into the “was barely here” act, and seemingly doesn’t remember her vote on Frost EOD1, doesn’t seem to recall much. It’s bizarre.

@ElizaThePsycho

i am arbitrarily putting lexi in the town pile

This made sense at the time.

@ElizaThePsycho

this entire interaction is weird to me
can’t really pinpoint why but

Focuses on Frost again.

@ElizaThePsycho

what is this POST
there is NOTHING to read (yet) me on, even gut!!!
VOTE: Zorvo
I am going to tunnel this relentlessly for the rest of the game

Completely reverses track, that vote on Frost because he was weird EOD1 is completely out of her head.

@ElizaThePsycho

this is w/w with zorvo

Until now, but as discussed earlier, Frost was going over anyway. Eliza saying this doesn’t feel natural; since she hadn’t discussed Frost whatsoever on this day, and had apparently forgotten why she voted him in the first place, it comes from nowhere.

@ElizaThePsycho

this is a slip

VOTE: Frostwolf103

I don’t townread this because Frost was going over anyway.

@ElizaThePsycho

get DESTROYED zone

Hey @Zone_Q11, quick question: why did you vote Zorvo EOD2? Did you answer that?

@ElizaThePsycho

oh
in my memory they happened at ~roughly the same time

Anyway, she tries to take credit for ensuring Frost goes over.

@ElizaThePsycho

what are y’alls thoughts on this, now that frost has flipped wolf

Tries to shade Zorvo further.

@ElizaThePsycho

ehhhh
idk about that
zone kinda betrayed the push that EoD
i guess a zone kill kinda makes sense, but
not much over somebody like Magnus or Lemon

I’m going to call Eliza unaligned with Zone and Zorvo. The missing nightkill makes more sense from Zone than at Zone, it’s a fair point she’s making here.

@ElizaThePsycho

but I still think a turn such as that is p wolfy
it kinda reads, at least with the timing and my vote, as a “try to save my partner, get a ML off, and justify it later”
i suppose i did read you and frost as w/w earlier, if that was the case this wouldn’t make sense but

It’s kinda like what Eliza did EOD1, only less subtle.

@ElizaThePsycho

If it hadn’t been for the ~effective thunder dome I’d say that Neon/Zorvo is W/W

Fanning the flames of the Neon/Zorvo ongoing battle.

@ElizaThePsycho

I’m up for turboing neon tbh tbh

@ElizaThePsycho

I’m more down for turboing Zorvo
but

I townread both, though. Except that’s a lie, I’m townreading them to spite them both.

Helluva Boss Mafia - Day 4 (8/13)

to explain my “this is a slip” frostwolf basically contradicted himself as seen in this interaction Oh then I do mean Zorvo yeah. Silly me. this is EXACTLY the kind of thing a wolf with TMI does idk what the implications of this on Neon and Zorvo’s alignments are, can’t wrap my brain around that quite yet but there’s also this interaction, which I pointed out earlier I don’t know if this is trick question because I pretty made point of no backpedal because I literally said Zorvo w…

This is a good post, but it doesn’t really further anything, it tries to explain the past.
Calling Frost and Gorta W/W is kinda weird, but I’ll be looking at the latter’s slot again anyway.

@ElizaThePsycho

VOTE: Zone_Q11

This was a smart vote, smarter than executing Wazza.

@ElizaThePsycho

@Chihiro

@Wazza (Frost said he was mafia)

oh goodness

The read was correct, tbf.

@ElizaThePsycho

how do you know mafia has 2 power roles

Mechtalk isn’t AI.

@ElizaThePsycho

so if zone is town
what does that make Chihiro

Still Town.

@ElizaThePsycho

we need a counterwagon for EoD
anyone want to hop on zone?

If Wazza and Zone are V/V… given how Eliza was already thinking about that… I think she’s just Mafia. I’d call Eliza/Zone a difference check.

@ElizaThePsycho

zone
or neon
or zorvo

Especially if Lissi’s Mafia? I don’t know why Lissi’s wagon had so much resistance.

@ElizaThePsycho

@Lemonfairy

an obvtown (according to me)?

hey wait

This is a towny callout.

@ElizaThePsycho

honestly i can kinda get behind this

• thinks the un cc’d PR is mafia
• the above thingy
• uhhh
• what else?
• okay its not OPTIMAL but its better than Wazza and Lissi
  VOTE: Lemon

It bothered me at the time because I townread Lemon, but I was also bothered by Lemon at the time, so I didn’t challenge it. This feels towny.

@ElizaThePsycho

VOTE: Zorvo

Ties the wagons.

@ElizaThePsycho

and the zorvo wagon is gone, like that

@ElizaThePsycho

also yeah this
CFD zorvo

Conclusion: Eliza’s ISO lacks a lot of sustenance and I’m not sure why she’s as a townread as she is, although her conduct yesterday was far better than her behaviour around Frost’s slot.

[Magnus]

@Zone_Q11

@Magnus, why can you not reveal [something] Today?
Or rather, what do you think Zorvo meant by “revealing”?

Zorvo wants me to reveal as innocent child. I’m not going to, because I was jailed N1 and I’m no longer innocent.
(Cue to laugh.)

[Zone_Q11]

@Magnus

Hey @Zone_Q11, quick question: why did you vote Zorvo EOD2? Did you answer that?

It was never posed to me as a question, but I did answer it at one point in SOD3, yes:

@Zone_Q11

I tried giving Frost a chance to talk, and that turned out to be a mistake.

[Magnus]

So it wasn’t in response to Eliza’s vote, that was just a coincidence?

[Zone_Q11]

@Magnus

@ElizaThePsycho

I’m up for turboing neon tbh tbh

@ElizaThePsycho

I’m more down for turboing Zorvo
but

I townread both, though. Except that’s a lie, I’m townreading them to spite them both.

…? That does not sound right.
Magnus, who are in your POE aside from me and Lissi?

@Magnus

So it wasn’t in response to Eliza’s vote, that was just a coincidence?

Yeah.

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

@Magnus

but it doesn’t really further anything, it tries to explain the past.

this sounds like a skill issue to me

@Magnus

It’s kinda like what Eliza did EOD1, only less subtle.

oh my gosh I forgot about that

@Magnus

Anyway, she tries to take credit for ensuring Frost goes over.

… i mean yeah

@Magnus

Completely reverses track, that vote on Frost because he was weird EOD1 is completely out of her head.

also yeah i legitimately don’t recall why i voted frost eod1
i think it might’ve been “to avoid tie” but that doesn’t feel right

@Magnus

doesn’t really care about appearing good,

also i thought this was a townie thing

@Magnus

Impossible for you, or impossible in general?

impossible for me

[Magnus]

@Zone_Q11

…? That does not sound right.
Magnus, who are in your POE aside from me and Lissi?

That’s what I’m figuring out. I’ve reset my readlist, I’m starting over.

@Zone_Q11

Yeah.

This doesn’t sound right.

@Zone_Q11

You voted with ~10 seconds left on the clock, you wanted Zorvo over. You were going to give Frost the entire next day.
I’m going to VOTE: Zone_Q11 and leave it there while I look elsewhere, just so anyone who checks the vc can see where I’m at.

[Magnus]

@Magnus

You were going to give Frost the entire next day.

Why did you vote at the last moment, specifically?

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

thank you for reminding me to vote
VOTE: Zone_Q11