Helluva Boss Mafia - Mafia Victory

[Zorvo]

It’s hypocritical.

Now bye, I GTG.

[Neon]

@Zorvo

It’s hypocritical.

Now bye, I GTG.

Bro. Seriously stop.

[Neon]

@Zone_Q11

You know what? Fair enough.
I think it’s time to show my updated readslist.

Gorta, Lissi, Neon
Lemlem
Eliza, Magnus, Zorvo

Lissi mentioned how I might have miscleared someone within my townreads. I couldn’t tell which one within [Eliza, Magnus, Zorvo] I was misclearing, so I just threw them all into the new POE. I had initially put [Neon, Lemlem] at the same rank as [Gorta, Lissi], but I need to give time to Lemlem because she claims to be burnt out, which… is not something I can verify.

Can you give me a sentence or two on each player and where you have them?

[Zone_Q11]

@Magnus

VOTE: Zone_Q11

@ElizaThePsycho

VOTE: Zone_Q11

@Zorvo

I have stated a Zone wolf read

@Zone_Q11

Eliza, Magnus, Zorvo

…damn. All my scumreads are voting me.
This readslist would have been more funnier had I posted it at SOD4.
Unfortunately I couldn’t do that because I had to ask my questions first to understand y’alls logic.

[Neon]

[Zorvo]

Alright I’m back but I gtg shower in couple mins

[Zorvo]

Why did I go down for you?
Did your recent interaction with Neon cause Neon to move up, what was the reason for that if so?
Why is Gorta and Lissi so high?

[Zorvo]

@Neon

@Zorvo

It’s hypocritical.

Now bye, I GTG.

Bro. Seriously stop.

Stop what?

What am I do. Telling you the logical truth.

@Arctic
Neon has called me a Liar
I said they have also been lying
Neon says there is nothing wrong with lying
I call them a Hypocrite.
Neon tells me to stop and thinks there is something wrong with that?

This is not my fault. I’m doing everything right.

[Zorvo]

You not even posting a quote of my vote on you is definitely something.

I mean I may have voted you at one point or two yesterday but I don’t remember off the top of my head.

But I did initially believe in the tinfoil of you and neon being wolves together tbh.

Now I’m like.
It could also be you and Lissi.

[Magnus]

@Gorta

the first bit of Frost’s ISO is mostly fluff, so it does make it difficult to get a d1 read on Frost because of that

Possible undue focus on Frost’s slot.

@Gorta

I guess I can understand these are reads, but I remember when I would gut read someone it was frowned upon

@Gorta

I can’t produce those naturally and when I do get them they just come into existence

@Gorta

neon saying it’s possible get serious reads in the first 100 posts or so is weird because there is only fluff, so the only way you can make serious reads there would be TMI

Wasn’t eager to solve early on.

@Gorta

I’m not going to clear myself to a single player

Doesn’t care about appearing good.

@Gorta

problem is it’s impossible for me to just prove myself town through social means

@Gorta

and any attempt to force it would appear unnatural

Doomerposting.

@Gorta

that’s make or break on a wazza vote because I seem to remember Wazza not focusing much on d1 and if so it’s nothing out of the ordinary so far

@Gorta

right, so based on this wazza shouldn’t be a wagon

Gorta didn’t really focus on Wazza’s slot yesterday… they didn’t vote anyone yesterday.

@Gorta

thing with frost is that there is mostly fluff in that ISO

Shade on Frost… I retract my townread on Gorta’s slot, I was mainly favouring Gorta because they weren’t doing this.

@Gorta

I feel like Ashlyn is being a bit too serious for a d1 play though

@Gorta

being too serious for most people on d1 just feels off (especially when there isn’t really much to make big brain analytical plays) and in the case of Ashlyn it feels kind of performative

@Gorta

it’s also hyper focused on zone from what I can tell

@Gorta

VOTE: Ashlyn this is my vote for now

I’m not sure how to read this vote.
In short, Gorta’s D1 was light suspicion on Frost and voting Ashlyn. Nothing majorly spectacular.

@Gorta

thing is, depending on Frost’s posting today I would be A-ok voting out frost because I still do think that someone who is make tons of wall posts and “analyzing” meme early d1 fluff are doing so to look good and to “prove themselves”

Gotcha.

@Gorta

@Frostwolf103

Zorvo however have my attention first when the game started and I am already late to start making the counterargument, lot of IRL stuff to do that time.

why is your vote on me then?

@Frostwolf103

As far I recall, mostly focused on me and nothing else.

that was before I read you if I recall correctly

@Wazza

Gorta

Zone
Zorvo

why am I so high on your list?

Gorta making an attempt to interact Frost might look good, since they’re questioning him here. It’s putting pressure on a dying wolf.

@Gorta

@Frostwolf103

All right, here we go…

VOTE: Ashlyn

I did mention she’s in my scumread

One thing to point out is that Frost barely mentions Ashlyn, but votes for Ashlyn and adds Ashlyn to a scum read pile with little actual read

Gorta did something similar.
This is correct, Frost did that.

@Gorta

Now, to continue it seems like frost is panicking from my point of view. It’s quite clear frost has a sr on Zorvo, but instead votes me (despite the fact that frost compares everyones interactions with Zorvo). Frost is more willing to vote me because I MIGHT be paired with a wolf Zorvo, but we don’t even know if Zorvo is a wolf. How would Frost’s read on me change if Zorvo wasn’t a wolf (just a thought process)? To conclude: I think Frost is way too focused on me and I can’t say about Zorvo, but yesterday Frost voted someone with little reason and today is voting someone else over said top sr. I wish I had voted frost yesterday, but we can’t change the past like that

It kinda feels like Gorta’s bothered about being suspected by Frost, which isn’t something I’d necessarily expect if they were W/W.

@Gorta

@Frostwolf103

Magnus/Zorvo/Neon

am I not a wolf with Zorvo? (I added this because I accidently clicked enter)

@Gorta

why would you try to reaction test me?

It also feels defensive, though.

@Gorta

VOTE: Frost I think this is the right vote based on everything I’ve seen today

@Gorta

I’ll have to review Zorvo I guess

Frostwolf103 (4): Zone_Q11, Lissi, Neon, Gorta
Zorvo (3): ElizaThePsycho, Frostwolf103, Magnus
Lissi (1): Wazza
ElizaThePsycho (1): Zorvo

Not Voting (2): Chihiro, Lemonfairy

Possibly leaving a backdoor in case the opportunity to vote Zorvo arises?

@Gorta

I’m still content voting Frost I think

Frostwolf103 (4): Zone_Q11, Lissi, Neon, Gorta
Zorvo (3): ElizaThePsycho, Frostwolf103, Magnus
Lissi (1): Wazza
ElizaThePsycho (1): Zorvo

Not Voting (2): Chihiro, Lemonfairy

There were around ~20 minutes between these two posts, though, so I’d imagine w!Gorta would’ve been committed to getting Frost over.

Once again, D2 isn’t spectacular except for voting Frost unprompted, and earlier than Eliza did.

@Gorta

if everyone had to vote or die right now who would they vote?

Who would you vote? @Gorta

@Gorta

it does seem like Wazza hasn’t done much this entire game

@Gorta

d1 was mostly nothing and there was nothing memorable on d2, but there was more on d3

@Gorta

I haven’t read Magnus yet, but Wazza hasn’t done much to try in my opinion and is generally unimpressive (plus the weird thing about making me top town on a town to scum list)

Gorta suspected Wazza, but didn’t vote her or anything…

@Gorta

also I’m conflicted because Magnus was weird with Frost, but at the same time I think we can afford a misexec because I’m not so sure about Wazza either

I’m always weird.

@Gorta

I don’t vote people I think are going to flip town

Is this why you didn’t vote Wazza?

@Gorta

I would rather vote Wazza today

…But…

@Gorta

I’m voting wazza today I think

@Gorta

One weird thing is that wazza puts me at the top of a set of reads as top town on d1 (which is weird because usually I’m hard to read)

I’m confused.

[Zorvo]

@Neon
If you’re actually town here then look into a Zone/Lissi world and see if it’s possible.
I know you think they are both town or at least Zone but that would be my legacy and what I think you should try and figure out with me.
If you are town we should work together not against each other.

Also I still standby Lemon being town here.

[Neon]

@Magnus

Are you still claiming IC no rescind actual role?

[Magnus]

Note to self: it’s very easy to find reasons for why any individual player could be evil.

[Zorvo]

@Gorta

I don’t vote people I think are going to flip town

@Magnus
This was in response to Eliza wanting me me or zone executed.

[Magnus]

I wouldn’t publicly claim a real power role at the start of the game… anymore.

[Zorvo]

From their response to me I’d say it’s likely they aren’t IC meaning they can very well be Mafia here.

[Zone_Q11]

• Gorta - Frost pushed him at SOD2 to prove that Zorvo is W/W with him instead of -y’know- just voting Zorvo? There is a major lack of content, but it is Gorta, so I am giving him more time to give more content.
• Lissi - I’ll be honest here: I’m mainly townreading Lissi because of her tone and her reads. Her read on Wazza was a miss, but Magnus/Zorvo is something I can agree with.
• Neon - I was very confused with your read on Lissi and your EOD3 behavior, but you had recently answered them, and I don’t think you should ever be Today’s execution.

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• Lemlem - I am currently conflicted as to what Lemlem is doing, but she claims to be burnt out, so… I can’t exactly read someone like that unless I want to be an idiot or a jerk.

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• Eliza - I initially had her as a high townread because she carried town at EOD2 by voting Frost, but then I saw Zorvo say that Eliza was the least likely to be a busser, which got me to think about the opposite: “Why can’t Eliza have bussed Frost?”
• Magnus - Okay, I don’t have much foundation on a good scumread on Magnus, let alone a decent one. The only thing that pings me a lot is when Magnus said he’d vote Wazza to save Frost.
• Zorvo - I scumread Zorvo because of one simple reason: He has no focus. He has voted and scumread basically everyone but Eliza and Magnus. SOD3: [Neon, Wazza, Chihiro]. EOD3: [Neon, Lemlem, Gorta, Lissi].

[Magnus]

@Zone_Q11

The only thing that pings me a lot is when Magnus said he’d vote Wazza to save Frost.

@Magnus

I will vote Wazza to save Zorvo.

Excuse me?

[Magnus]

Sure. I did say this earlier.

@Magnus

I hardclaim Mafia Watcher. N1 I tried to visit Lemon and my action failed. N2 I visited Lemon again and saw nobody. Can it be me if I’m openwolfing?

[Neon]

@Magnus

I wouldn’t publicly claim a real power role at the start of the game… anymore.

That’s what I thought

VOTE: Magnus

I also think you’re scum