Helluva Boss Mafia - Mafia Victory

[Zorvo]

@Magnus

Frost insulting people for scumreading him was similarly painful to interact with.

Oh yeah thanks for reminding me.
@Neon
This was another reason Frost and Magnus aren’t aligned and the reason I came to that conclusion previously.

Cause Frost started talking about “oh Magnus doesn’t know my meta, he thinks he does” or whatever.
Basically he started to drag on talking about how bad Magnus was on his meta and from how it went down it didn’t feel like Frost was talking to his partner AT ALL.
It felt like Frost was being pushed by a Townie and frost was trying to convince another Townie (me) that the other Townie is wrong on reading Frost.

[Zorvo]

@Neon

I spent most of yesterday arguing with zone BECAUSE I was looking at worlds where zone was carrying the night kill.

@Neon

Um… no I didn’t. I very clearly openly discussed worlds where Chihiro was not town

Can vouch for both.

[Zorvo]

Neon is right

[Zorvo]

@Magnus

I don’t get why people think reads and votes must be intertwined. I disagree on that part.

+1

@Zone_Q11

For otherwise, there would be no purpose in the existence of votes.

That is absolutely wrong.
I already explained this.
@Neon

Tell me Zone’s train a thought is right here cause I don’t think it is at all.

[Neon]

@Zorvo

I think Magnus is well aware of this and has looked at stuff but again, Jailkeeper experience he has.

Letting past experiences cloud future judgements is a great way to lose at mafia

[Zorvo]

@Zone_Q11

Town’s original power does not come from PRs; they come from votes. Votes is what we use to start a reaction, and it is ultimately what we use to end one’s life.
–in game.

Sure but you can create reactions and still vote a town read and it can become +EV.

Idk why your trying to deny this.

[Zorvo]

Example.
I’m unsure on top wagon.
I vote a town read.
People start piling on it.
I switch vote the original unsure wagon.
It flips Wolf.

Example ^^

[Zorvo]

I put example twice, clearly I don’t read lol.

[Zorvo]

Well I don’t double check my posts I guess.

[Zorvo]

Sure but it’s also something to consider and you now know how it was like when you Roleblock a mafia member as Jailkeeper (if you are Magnus) and can compare it and figure out if it’s similar here or not.

[Neon]

@Zorvo

“Match Zorvo”
Idk about everyone else but the way you said this feels like you don’t think me and Magnus are a team cause why would you think a wolf would want to match another partner?

Thoughts? @Neon

The answer I was hoping for was that Zone would say that the implication was that Magnus is trying to pocket you. Something I’ve thought about throughout today. But Zone saying that two woofs would attempt to have similarities in their poe in thread is
Mind boggling.

I dunno if it’s scummy though.

[Neon]

@Zorvo

Sure but it’s also something to consider and you now know how it was like when you Roleblock a mafia member as Jailkeeper (if you are Magnus) and can compare it and figure out if it’s similar here or not.

I’m not telling him he’s wrong. I was trying to get him to work through his thoughts with me in real time so he and I could understand possibilities together. I was trying to work with him like how I approached Zone on lemon and got some to realize the bias that they were approaching lemon with.

[Neon]

And to see if I could find common ground and better understand it

[Zorvo]

@Zorvo

@Zone_Q11

Town’s original power does not come from PRs; they come from votes. Votes is what we use to start a reaction, and it is ultimately what we use to end one’s life.
–in game.

Sure but you can create reactions and still vote a town read and it can become +EV.

Idk why your trying to deny this.

@Zorvo

Example.
I’m unsure on top wagon.
I vote a town read.
People start piling on it.
I switch vote the original unsure wagon.
It flips Wolf.

Example ^^

Look at this as well Neon.
Do you agree with what I’m saying or are you agreeing with Zone?

@Neon

@Zorvo

“Match Zorvo”
Idk about everyone else but the way you said this feels like you don’t think me and Magnus are a team cause why would you think a wolf would want to match another partner?

Thoughts? @Neon

The answer I was hoping for was that Zone would say that the implication was that Magnus is trying to pocket you. Something I’ve thought about throughout today. But Zone saying that two woofs would attempt to have similarities in their poe in thread is
Mind boggling.

I dunno if it’s scummy though.

I mean it definitely doesn’t feel like a genuine thought.

[Zorvo]

I’d have to ISO Dive but I genuinely believe Lemon town tell’ed.

[Neon]

@Zorvo

I mean it definitely doesn’t feel like a genuine thought.

I dunno I think things that a lot of people disagree with when it comes to game theory

[Lissi]

I am going to be here for the next hour, and can answer questions but I’m not caught up yet. Since Wazza flipped town, I feel I need to re-eval my POE because I think I remember feeling like it wasn’t Magnus/Zorvo yesterday; will need to check why I thought so again, but I think a re-eval is needed regardless.

[Neon]

@Lissi

I am going to be here for the next hour, and can answer questions but I’m not caught up yet. Since Wazza flipped town, I feel I need to re-eval my POE because I think I remember feeling like it wasn’t Magnus/Zorvo yesterday; will need to check why I thought so again, but I think a re-eval is needed regardless.

Gun to head no reeval based only on what you know now what are your in the moment reads?

[Zorvo]

It’s more like how it was worded.

“Match Zorvo”.

[Lissi]

I think Magnus is scum

I still feel Lemon and Eliza are town, and I think Zone was towny to stick to voting Wazza yesterday, though I guess it wasn’t as lock towny of an action as I thought it would be since Wazza flipped town

GTH I would say Zorvo is town bc of the Magnus thing and that you’re still town, but I still want to re-eval

From what I remembered yesterday I would also say Gorta town