Helluva Boss Mafia - Mafia Victory

[Lemonfairy]

do whatever your heart tells you

[Zorvo]

Another reason I think it’s Gorta is cause he is holding on to a wolf read on me which I think is also wolf Indicative for him considering if I was wolf, voting no execute would decrease my chances at winning.

[Zorvo]

Actually no execute is the best option today mechanically.

[Magnus]

@Neon

I want Magnus and maybe Eliza to look over Gorta and Lemon with unbiased eyes because frankly I think me and Zorvo are tunneled and would like a 3rd set of eyes on both players please

If that’s what you would like.

@Zorvo

Basically No Execution or Gorta Vote is correct here I believe.

We have six today. Kill Gorta, four. No exe then, three. If Town.
No-exe today, kill Gorta tomorrow? Three afterward. If Town.
You are indeed right.

Hi Lemon, you’re back.

[Lemonfairy]

@Magnus

Hi Lemon, you’re back.

hi

[Neon]

@Lemonfairy

also, this is 200% cringe and I want to cry

[Neon]

@Zorvo

If we aren’t voting Gorta we no execute IMO.

Lol y tho xD

[Lemonfairy]

I’m fine with no exe too but I’m probably going to be still alive and voting Gorta tomorrow unless something weird happens

[Neon]

@Lemonfairy

Neon, I don’t need to be cleared as of this moment.
I think we just vote Gorta and go from there.

Problem is I think you are just as viable as Gorta which is why I am asking for fresh eyes so i don’t conf bias myself on a tunnel

[Neon]

@Magnus

If that’s what you would like.

Its what i would like

[Neon]

A no exe here does literally nothing

[Lemonfairy]

if you take me out of the picture, do you townread everyone else?

[Neon]

@Lemonfairy

if you take me out of the picture, do you townread everyone else?

I did a vote analysis thing either. And looking at votes I think wagon structure points blatantly at you.

I also dont think you’ve been towny in thread

If I just read without any wagonomics or anything else than I’m sus on Gorta and you

And to a much lesser extent Magnus and Eliza but my solve is probably always in you and Gorta my problem is that quite frankly vote structure wise Gorta makes no sense. I would have to suspend everything i know about how to play mafia to assume that Gorta plays like this with a team of Zone and Frost.

Its not even like I’m expecting optimal wolf play I just expect… better than this.

[Lemonfairy]

fair enough ig
I don’t think I can ever see it being Eliza from VCs though

what’s your read on Zorvo rn?

[Neon]

@Lemonfairy

fair enough ig
I don’t think I can ever see it being Eliza from VCs though

what’s your read on Zorvo rn?

Zorvo is IC.

2 woofs voted him one EoD

I thought more about it and that might have been a concerted bus to try to save the mafia PR and bus Zorvo but that takes a tinfoil so large that I’m kinda content just giving them GGs if true. That’s a play.

[Lemonfairy]

Gorta posts I quoted for fun

@Gorta

the first bit of Frost’s ISO is mostly fluff, so it does make it difficult to get a d1 read on Frost because of that

hmmm idk if this is w/w or not
could be

@Gorta

but I’m suspicious of anyone who gets serious town/scum reads in the first bit of d1 that isn’t some kind of gut read because even in the ISOs/cases there isn’t much to suspect each other on

uhh ok

@Gorta

N O

if Gorta is scum, I should start automatically voting people who refuse me when I ask for reads in the future

@Gorta

I guess I can understand these are reads, but I remember when I would gut read someone it was frowned upon

this is commenting to my post that said I viberead Zone as town

@Gorta

right, so based on this wazza shouldn’t be a wagon

@Gorta

thing with frost is that there is mostly fluff in that ISO

@Gorta

I feel like Ashlyn is being a bit too serious for a d1 play though

@Gorta

being too serious for most people on d1 just feels off (especially when there isn’t really much to make big brain analytical plays) and in the case of Ashlyn it feels kind of performative

@Gorta

it’s also hyper focused on zone from what I can tell

hmmmm

@Gorta

VOTE: Ashlyn this is my vote for now

@Gorta

I’ve made my decision and I can better evaluate you tomorrow

(to Frost)

@Gorta

thing is, depending on Frost’s posting today I would be A-ok voting out frost because I still do think that someone who is make tons of wall posts and “analyzing” meme early d1 fluff are doing so to look good and to “prove themselves”

@Gorta

@Frostwolf103

Hi you’re redchecked by the famous Frostwolf103 how’d you plead?

@Gorta

whatever will I do? I’m so scared (not)

above 2 posts could be w/w

@Frostwolf103

Zorvo however have my attention first when the game started and I am already late to start making the counterargument, lot of IRL stuff to do that time.

@Gorta

why is your vote on me then?

@Frostwolf103

As far I recall, mostly focused on me and nothing else.

@Gorta

that was before I read you if I recall correctly

@Gorta

anyway, I’m here now and I’ll at least give a more conclusive read on Frost

@Gorta

One thing to point out is that Frost barely mentions Ashlyn, but votes for Ashlyn and adds Ashlyn to a scum read pile with little actual read

@Frostwolf103

how common is D1 mafia bussing in this game type setup?

@Gorta

it’s quite rare

@Gorta

Now, to continue it seems like frost is panicking from my point of view. It’s quite clear frost has a sr on Zorvo, but instead votes me (despite the fact that frost compares everyones interactions with Zorvo). Frost is more willing to vote me because I MIGHT be paired with a wolf Zorvo, but we don’t even know if Zorvo is a wolf. How would Frost’s read on me change if Zorvo wasn’t a wolf (just a thought process)? To conclude: I think Frost is way too focused on me and I can’t say about Zorvo, but yesterday Frost voted someone with little reason and today is voting someone else over said top sr. I wish I had voted frost yesterday, but we can’t change the past like that

@Gorta

for now my vote in on Frost in spirit

@Gorta

hey, I’m actually pretty decent at wolf theater (or was in games past lol)

@Gorta

am I not a wolf with Zorvo? (I added this because I accidently clicked enter)

@Gorta

why would you try to reaction test me?

@Gorta

VOTE: Frost I think this is the right vote based on everything I’ve seen today

@Gorta

I’ll have to review Zorvo I guess

@Gorta

I’m still content voting Frost I think

@Gorta

wait, @Zone_Q11 , how exactly did I save you again?

@Gorta

I don’t have those kind of powers

@Gorta

I don’t bus if I can avoid it

@Gorta

it does seem like Wazza hasn’t done much this entire game

@Gorta

it was weird being so high on Wazza’s safe list d1 I will say that

@Gorta

also I’m conflicted because Magnus was weird with Frost, but at the same time I think we can afford a misexec because I’m not so sure about Wazza either

@Gorta

I haven’t read Magnus yet, but Wazza hasn’t done much to try in my opinion and is generally unimpressive (plus the weird thing about making me top town on a town to scum list)

@Gorta

I don’t know what to make of Zorvo tbh

@Gorta

I would rather vote Wazza today

@Gorta

I need to read Zorvo first

@Gorta

One weird thing is that wazza puts me at the top of a set of reads as top town on d1 (which is weird because usually I’m hard to read)

@Gorta

why did Zorvo vote me at the end of yesterday?

@Gorta

I would need to read the SoD a bit closer, but how did Zorvo not get tons of suspicion for that

@Zone_Q11

I did suspect him for that:

@Gorta

I see

@Zone_Q11

To which he responded with “it was just a joke” and “it was just a reaction test”, both of which sounds like weak excuses:

@Gorta

Interesting…

@Gorta

so @Zorvo was it a joke or a reaction test? If it was a reaction test what kind of reaction were you hoping to get? Let’s not forget you got really defensive yesterday when you weren’t a wagon and acted really weird with Frost

@Gorta

well, actually the PR part comes in when Zorvo claims that it wouldn’t make sense for a goon Frost to push out a PR mafia role, hence he is clear

@Gorta

aka it wouldn’t make sense for a goon!Frost to kill a RB!Zorvo

@Gorta

I can make the exact same argument as to why I shouldn’t be wolf

@Gorta

Frost really wanted me dead that day

last 4 quotes are wolfy

@Gorta

so, I had quotes, but not anymore. I uh pressed cntrl-v instead of cntrl-c, but anyway. The way Frost treats Zorvo is weird. On d1 it’s like they interact normally and on d2 Zorvo is suddenly a wolf, but doesn’t vote Zorvo because he wants to vote his “co-conspirators” (which was a vote on me). All of this despite the fact that apparently from Frost’s point of view there was a Zorvo case made and everyone was interaction checked against Zorvo (which conveniently made me his vote). Zorvo claims that Frost pushed Zorvo and voted, except for the fact that there was no danger because everyone else was voting Frost. There was also an interesting line asking why Zorvo wasn’t SRing me, which indicates that they are partners and Frost wanted Zorvo to go along pushing me instead. This view is also supported when Frosts angrily votes Zorvo after I vote him.

@Gorta

basically Zorvo barely says anything about a W!Frost world, but votes Frost anyway because he “remembered” that Frost was part of someone elses solve

@Gorta

Notice that Zorvo barely interacts with Frost and ignores him on PoE’s and read lists

@Gorta

to conclude my findings basically I do think Zorvo is wolfy for “jokingly” voting me at the EoD (usually when a cfd happens) then walking said vote back. I also think Zorvo is wolf based on how he misinterprets a post of mine and twists it to mean something else. All of this comes after claiming I’m town and subtly planting seeds that I am a wolf who bussed Zorvo. Oh yeah, Zorvo also mentions how a wolf could fake a role with a mafia RBer or no kill before I even say RBer. When I mention Zorvo’s method of self clearing from the Frost execution I get a response akin to “how do you know it’s a RBer”. Zorvo eventually brings up that there are 2 goons and when I ask him how he knows he says “just read”, but hasn’t pointed out where it says there are exactly 2 goona and a mafia PR.

@Gorta

Zorvo will be my vote

@Gorta

VOTE: Zorvo there we go

@Gorta

how is Zorvo town?

@Gorta

it does very much look like Zorvo trusted the second PR claim and guessed that there was a single mafia PR and in this Zone PR world it very much makes Frost’s play with Zorvo seem like theater

@Gorta

before the claim was that there he is town because “why would Frost bus a mafia PR?”, but now we know that Zorvo could have never been a mafia PR

@Gorta

and I still stand by the thing about Frost asking why Zorvo wasn’t SRing me the day he died and voted Zorvo later out of anger

@Gorta

if Zorvo is maf and flipped he wouldn’t have been the mafia PR, so Frost could have made that play

hmmm

~end of ISO~

[Lemonfairy]

yeah, I can see it being Gorta

[Zorvo]

That way we force the last mafia in a position where they have to involve themselves and can’t just win cause PoE.

LYLO is better then MYLO.

[Zorvo]

@Neon

A no exe here does literally nothing

This is false
VOTE: No Exe

It forces mafia into 2 night kills.

[Zorvo]

And it puts a F3 situation which is better then a F4 situation.