I think you played good Neon!
Good Job!
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thanks im miserable
now we’re both in a state of misery
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Thanks
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Did you like my red herring?
You were actively wolfreading me at EoD1 and one of the voters.
The legacy forum with CoD is how I joined FM in the first place.
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Actually it is wolf December win
I was little worried you would analyse more in-depth.
wolf chat
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woke up
looked out my window
mafia won another game
gott verdammt
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warum sind sie so ueberrascht
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tatsachlich hat die Stadt die letzten zwei Spiele gewonnen
Yes.
okay so bear in mind that i’m placing a generous estimate of how much i read of this game at around 20% so please excuse me if some things don’t make sense or are based on faulty assumptions since i am piecing a lot of things together here (i would also like to know if i have done this so please bring it to my attention if you feel this way).
i think the setup that randed ended up being one of the more balanced ones for d6 (
) but that’s mainly because most of the 2-town-PR setups that could rand are fairly balanced anyway.
i noticed a lot of people did not understand how the setup worked despite the game being in signups for over a week and there being a comprehensive explanation in the OP - if you still don’t understand after reading the OP, then feel free to ask. i think a lot of people that play on this site display a lack of mechanical awareness and this runs the risk of spewing yourself as VT, which i think a lot of people that play here are prone to doing for Basically No Reason.
if i pretend that ashlyn did not have amazing reads (as you all wouldn’t have known at the time) i don’t think any of the misyeets this game were particularly bad but both the ashlyn and wazza misyeets at the time felt like shrugyeets. people are scrounging on day 1 to find anything that could mean something, but i think these MLs were avoidable if players had more of a consideration for the playstyles of ashlyn and wazza, which are liable to undue suspicion due to their ““conventional”” scumminess. i can extend this to say that town as a whole didn’t use meta as well as they could have - wazza is known to try less on day 1 as town and this was even brought up by someone who died before this mattered, but with this in mind it could have been possible to understand that her eod1 behaviour with the random vote on lissi is less likely to come from someone who is known to try harder as scum on day 1 and try to position themselves well or benefit their team.
angry
i did not read much of Neon vs Zorvo but the parts i did happen to see were upsetting. i’m annoyed that i was never really around while this was occurring and only saw afterwards, because i could never intervene on time, and after it was over i didn’t really want to bring it up again. before either of you ask, i did not read how this started or what your logic for scumreading each other was or whatever the hell was going on in general, but i want to make it clear that i think the way you carried out your suspicions and frustrations with each other was both not acceptable in terms of basic civility and for obvious reasons made the threadstate pro-wolf. from what i understand, both of you ended up correctly re-evaluating the other and getting out of your tunnels, but in this case i really don’t think the means justified the end.
remember that villagers don’t have perfect information, and a lot of the time people grasp at straws to make reads in a way that to you may seem unbelievable with knowledge of your alignment, and it’s better to default to assuming ignorance rather than malice (or however that quote goes) until you’ve gauged the validity of their reasoning and how likely they are to believe in it. taking petty potshots at people for scumreading you for what you perceive to be bad reasons is not going to help your case and it is not going to help them to re-evaluate you. on the flip side, relentlessly tunneling and resorting to ad hominem is never going to lend itself well to having a sensible and unobfuscated view of both the game as a whole and the validity of your reads. i honestly shouldn’t even have to resort to explaining why this shouldn’t happen in games from an EV standpoint when all that needs to be said is that you just shouldn’t speak to people like this.
my other main thoughts pertain to the final 3 and the mechanical play of the scumteam, and i’m not really comfortable giving unsolicited feedback about something people still might be sore over, so while i do have thoughts i’m holding off unless it’s specifically requested. so other than that, thanks for playing.
edit: i forgot to mention this but there were a few… obscure rulebreaks this game, like magnus telling everyone to sub out (even as a meme) and zone using discobot in the thread to decide whether he should move his vote or not. i don’t think either of these ended up mattering, but if extrapolated they certainly could have, which is why a good rule of thumb is to just Not use things outside of the game to make reads / determine actions and avoid discussing replacements altogether
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i’m interested
I’m going back in time to the first day to get Ashlyn off the menu
the one who holds a cat
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I think, in a setup where hunting down and killing power roles is pivotal to your wincondition as mafia, some more thought ought to be put into the nightkills than like, 10 posts, especially when the basis for such a kill is a “hunch”. like i said, a bunch of players on this site spew are prone to spewing themselves as PR / not PR fairly obviously, and with this in mind I think it is worth a quick skim of a few iso’s to confirm who might or might not be a PR, as well as the readlists + consensus reads on of anyone who you are killing in the event that you need to compromise on killing someone that would be good to remove from the game socially because you don’t have any confident PR reads. as i said, the misty kill was not great and this as well as more discussion may have helped to make a better choice.
i actually just checked now, and misty was visibly worried about accidentally killing a PR who wasn’t around to claim at eod, and was also asking frost if they were a PR. there can be multiple town PRs obviously, but this behaviour is a slight update in favor of mist not being a PR
the other main thing was zone carrying the kill on night 2 instead of you. like, you switched your vote last second to kill a wolf - the chance a town roleblocker targets you is basically 0 and the chance a town jailkeeper targets you is also very low because… uh i think most people don’t think wolves would target you for a kill on night 2 in spite of your townread status because of your low impact on the game and low threat level. given both of these attributes, you were in the perfect position to carry out the night kill and you didn’t because you were worried about a town tracker being more likely to see one of you two if you split actions… but again, a town tracker was not likely to target you due to your townread position. in fact, you even used the logic i’m outlining right now to justify yourself carrying the kill on night 3, so i am confused as to why this only became apparent to you then and not the previous night
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