Helluva Boss Mafia - Mafia Victory

[Zone_Q11]

Lack of substance. Sus.
Then again, I am prejudiced against slankers.

[Magnus]

I feel like Zorvo’s missing his fire, but that’s all I’ve consciously registered. Here’s a wolfcase (worst possible light look) I wrote after looking at his posts:

@Zorvo

Call this gut if you want.
But I don’t think Magnus speaks about a partner like this.

So Magnus/Lemon unaligned.

@Zorvo

Vibes, I feel you.

VOTE: Chihiro

This does remind me of his Starcraft game, though. Starting off with a fairly weak read because that’s how he perceives he’ll be expected, but sheeping your vote is probably NAI. It can’t be a buss or a push either way, but I would expect a hypothetical w!Zorvo to unvote w!Chihiro sooner rather than later.

@Zorvo

Fuck that’s hard.
I would normally say Chocolate but like.
I also like Butterscotch.
I like Vanilla.
I like Chocolate Bar Ice Cream Flavours like Reese’s, Smarties, KitKat, etc.

So I can’t really give you a straight answer on this one.

Zorvo likes to play around as either alignment, I dunno. But he responded to this post an hour after, and he was similarly committed to that joke readlist in Starcraft, so… iffy.

@Zorvo

Hey where is that PFP I gave you?

Similarly, he’s committed to this line of questioning. This might’ve gone in Mafia chat instead if they were aligned, but that’s not a real read.

@Zorvo

Zone Gut Town.
No real logical reason, I just liked his response to FrostWolf.

Similarly to the unaligned read, this is a weak enough read. Gutreading a villager as villager isn’t…

@Zorvo

I play with him, don’t really pick up on his meta.

Kinda partnery though if Frost’s a wolf.

@Zorvo

Why are you so quick to assume this?
Tons of people fake claim Vigilante even as VT for example, it’s not uncommon.

Exposition.

@Zorvo

@Mistyx
Why do you townread Lissi?

Doesn’t really follow up on this.

@Zorvo

@Mistyx

i’m suspecting zorvo and neon right now

im also curious why you’re saying me and ash is more likely w/w without giving a proper read on us :3

Your suspecting me for what again?

Potential motive for killing Mist.

@Zorvo

If it’s for that sheep vote I’m genuinely not surprised.
If it’s for not acting the way I usually do on a senseD you need to catch up to date and realize I’m trying to self improve.

@Zorvo

@Magnus

Do you feel like you’re right to be suspected?

Absolutely but it depends on the persons reasons.

This isn’t really performative, but it could be seen as “a wolf thinking they’re being rightly suspected for the wrong reasons

”.

@Zorvo

Fuck, couple more of these and I’ll just call Lemon Lock Town.

This was a sentiment I agreed with, which is why I bothered to call for TP on Lemon, for the record. But from Zorvo, here, this read kinda comes from nowhere? Zorvo and Lemon barely interacted, the post comes from two unaligned reads… one from me, one from Mist… which can only make this a joke.

[quote=“Zorvo, post:439, topic:3873, full:true”]

@Neon

@Frostwolf103

Although five people voted against you:

Mistyx
(Myself)
Ashlyn
Zone_Q11
Eliza
[/quote]

At least and probably exactly one of these is a wolf.

So basically you think 1/4 of Zone, Ash, Mist and Eliza is a wolf?

If Zorvo’s a wolf, I think all four are probably Town, and probably Neon as well. It’s like he’s trying to get her to commit to this read, and we already know Ashlyn and Mist are Town, Zone’s probably Town and only Eliza’s in question.

@Zorvo

I was kinda hesitant to ask this question cause I already think your town and that’s a big purpose of this question is to get a read But I’m gonna ask it anyway.

Why do you townread me?

This question is interesting.

@Zorvo

Good Explanation.
I’m content with my town read on you and will shield you from being executed today.

@Zorvo

Yeah Gorta is probably town.
They are responding to Lemon here genuinely.

They are content on the fact there is not much content to go off of.
I find that a good look for Gorta.

This is pretty much the extent of Zorvo’s solving on D1.

@Zorvo

It’s SoD1 and you’re questioning a sheep vote is lol.
Calling it wolfy is one thing but expecting my posts be completely justifiable is a lol no.

Once again, getting the “correctly suspected for incorrect reasons” vibe from this.

@Zorvo

It’s just that I want to call it more then a gut but can’t find everything together right now to do so.

All I got is they can’t be aligned with Magnus or Misty.

Either way, it definitely feels like Zorvo’s playing passively, but…

@Zorvo

I’m gonna answer for you.
Yes I’m usually a passive wolf more so then not and will sometimes take thread control and go on the aggressive.
However as I said before, self improvement and I want to be more friendly and logical towards others or try my best to

Zorvo’s self-aware of his own wolfmeta, and would surely attempt to shy away from acting as such this game if he were evil, right?

[quote=“Zorvo, post:547, topic:3873, full:true”]

@Neon

@Zorvo

So basically you think 1/4 of Zone, Ash, Mist and Eliza is a wolf?
[/quote]

No that’s not what that said at all

Also not zone i was lied to.

So 1 out of the people on Magnus was wolf. This assumes Magnus is town but ink decently confident in that read.

So 1/4 if Magnus is town?
Is that what your saying?

This feels unaligned.

@Zorvo

If ima do a GTH solve, ima definitely have Neon and Mist there but it’s still early game.

Killing a scumread of his? Would Zorvo do this?
Hmm.

@Zorvo

VOTE: Misty

Tbh tbh.

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@Zorvo

Ok that’s actually fair.

VOTE: unvote

Mayhaps…

@Zorvo

Hmm who is a player I haven’t engaged with yet for a read that could be a wolf?

Chihiro or Wazza of whom should I vote?

I think I’ll go in the order I have.

VOTE: Chihiro

Frostwolf103 (2): Lemonfairy, Neon
Wazza (2): Ashlyn, Zone_Q11
Ashlyn (1): Chihiro
Neon (1): Mistyx
Zorvo (1): Frostwolf103
Chihiro (1): Zorvo

Not Voting (5): ElizaThePsycho, Wazza, Gorta, Lissi, Magnus

Chihiro wasn’t even a wagon when Zorvo voted them.

@Zorvo

As for FrostWolf there has been stuff that pinged me the wrong way from reading but vibes than anything.

The dude also asked to be executed and I tend to avoid voting people who ask that cause more of the time then not they are town.

@Zorvo

I don’t wolf read Mist anymore after their last response.
I wouldn’t say I town lean them at all, MAYBE Null Town but even that might be a bit too pushy of a given read but I’ll put them there anyway and see how things progress with her.

@Zorvo

@Chihiro

becausea you straight up made a post stating your trying to make their posts seem in poor light so others see that the slot is scum.

That’s kinda how I felt tbh.

VOTE: unvote

@Zorvo

Can’t really say Ash is town read but I’ll vote this slot who I don’t really have any read on since Ash already has lots of votes.

VOTE: Wazza

@Zorvo

@ElizaThePsycho

nevermind

VOTE: Frost

VOTE: Ash

What’s that?

@Zorvo

Eliza might be wolves with Ash if they are town from that switch vote to Frost but Wazza might be better vote.

VOTE: Wazza

Have to get back to work now.

All in all, Zorvo looks like a wolf. He also looked enough like a wolf in AI Upick that I was able to frame him rather easily, so… whatever.

[Magnus]

[Chihiro]

Ill get to this tomorrow.

[Chihiro]

@Zone_Q11

…let’s be honest here: This is very focused on [Magnus, Zorvo, Neon] if Mafia killed Mistyx because she was deemed as a threat. I dunno about Zorvo and Neon, but I don’t see w!Magnus ever killing Mistyx for this reason.

i mean if this is the case this could be a reason they died, but on the otherhand this would just put spotlight on those names more so than if they just left her alone.

I was kind of hoping a vigilante did exist so it could hit the counter wagon

I also do beleive that Zone is correct to state that the people who sat on Ashlyn in a chill manner or more than likelier to be scum. I wouldn’t go as far to say the entire train is scum because Im pretty sure one atlkeast exists outside of it. If I were the pick the sitting scum it prob be Gorta, since I like Lissi currently. Until Frost is solved I believe they are scum since the likely hood of a hammer on n1 is very slim, unless mafia is worried the counter train is a wolf.

[Chihiro]

I wanna point out this is kinda bs since Gorta is often unreadable because of how they play, though I would like to understand why u beleive your vibes. The idea of shading people not being here is kinda irrelevant i feel.

[Chihiro]

@Zone_Q11

Because otherwise it’d imply that all three mafia are exactly [Chihiro, Lissi, Gorta], who had all voted Ashlyn before dipping out. Which begs the question: Why did they choose Ashlyn over Frost? If Frost was mafia, then it makes more sense to park a vote at Ashlyn before going AFK.

TBF I didn’t park my vote, I was actually watching the thread at EOD to prevent a tie. Though I am still content with my vote being left on ashlyn at the time because the slot felt worse than frost at the time for me.

[Magnus]

My point is that Gorta made up a few, albeit spaced apart, scumreads on their partners in order to look villagery if they flipped, whereas this Gorta simply doesn’t seem to care about looking good one way or another.

[Chihiro]

I think on a surface level Gorta inherently plays in a scum aligned manner so I find it hard to read them and just ignore them until like n3 or n4.

Also anyone could do the above its not really hard, unless you have multiple cases of this happening.

[Lemonfairy]

lmao

[Lemonfairy]

you’d better

[Chihiro]

@Magnus

All in all, Zorvo looks like a wolf. He also looked enough like a wolf in AI Upick that I was able to frame him rather easily, so… whatever.

a few of his posts catch my attention

Though I also ask myself does he shoot his own scumread? Better off just getting them miseliminated I think.

[Zorvo]

@Zone_Q11

So there has to be at least one mafia within [Chihiro, Gorta, Lissi, Eliza, Mistyx, Frost].

I’ll save this for later as well and the fact Mist was night kill that’s more of a reason to townread Zone.

[Zorvo]

Zone, Ash, Misty, Eliza - Neon said at least 1 is a wolf. Page #426

I would say by Neon’s logic the wolf is probably
Just Eliza but then remembered Frost was also part of the solve I think.

[Zorvo]

I wouldn’t mind going Frost then Eliza tbh.

VOTE: Frost

[Zorvo]

I’m also not sure how I feel about Wazza and players reactions to the wagon.

[Zorvo]

I don’t have a confident read either way on Magnus yet which I can’t tell if I should be concerned or not.

[Zorvo]

@Lemonfairy

what are your reads rn?

@Chihiro

IDK thats why I was asking cause u quoted it and I cant tell.

You don’t know your reads?

[Chihiro]

I mean as the counterwagon we should always we going frost here I believe.

[Chihiro]

u read that out of contect and Idk if it was on purpose or not.