Ice Cream Mafia - Day 2 (12/14)

[Zone_Q11]

@Magnus

Perhaps it’s painful, but theoretically the three outcomes are Neapolitan!Jail (best to stay alive), Vanilla!Jail bluffing Neapolitan (also best to stay alive), and Mafia!Jail (sorta painless due to rolemadness). I am ignoring the societal factors which might lead to some discontent, that’s true.

Neapolitan wouldn’t be so desperate to save w!Hippo out of nowhere at EOD1. But fine. Let’s assume v!jail is willing to save someone whom they had “suddenly townread”. (You and potatocat seemed to be planning the same thing anyway, from what I have seen.)

Neapolitan would have seen at least one of tutuu’s two pings about the plan to form a Chocolate group. But fine. Let’s assume v!jail has reading skill comprehension. Maybe tunnel vision or something.
(jail, this is not me belittling your intelligence, but your skills. You can have all the knowledge of “how to build a wall” all you want, but if you lack the crafting skills to actually build a wall, then all those knowledge is meaningless.)

Neapolitan would have targeted someone whose alignment they are unsure of. Now, what is jail’s readslist? Oh, he didn’t make one.

Let me make one for him then.

• P#27: tutuu towny
• P#36, P#63: Leafia lowkey villagery
• P#91: unordered townmix - jail tutuu potatocat leafia
• P#204: Chomps shaded Zone (even though the thing he referenced in the future has yet to happen)
• P#327: ILP boneless progression (~~~~~v or struggling mafia)
• P#333: Zone villagery
• P#473: Leafia isn’t wolf unless partner moment (w. Hippo)
• P#602, P#689: feels good about tutuu
• P#885: asks Leafia why Hippo is mafia
• P#887: votes Chomps
• P#891, P#892, P#893, P#899, P#965: defends Hippo; doesn’t think Hippo is wolf
• P#900: Zone aggressive
• P#903, P#965: scumreading Chomps for shading Zone (which never happened)
• P#984, P#987: realizes that everyone is sheeping tutuu
• P#1018: Neil so towny

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jail townread Hippo out of nowhere, switched opinions last minute (P#1066) and proceeded with D2 as if Hippo wasn’t already openwolfing before jail defended Hippo (P#1187)

Where in all of this is potatocat? Ah, yes. She was briefly mentioned in P#91, but that one is probably outdated. Yet this does not explain why jail chose her out of literally anyone else.

From my observation, jail had townread [tutuu, Leafia, Zone, ILP] and scumread only Chomps. However, he also realized that his motive to scumread chomps was flawed. (P#1034) Why then did v!jail choose to check potatocat of all people?

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Now I can’t say I found some interesting stuff while I was ISO’ing jail, so here are some items that might be of his aid:

• P#98: Gives list of people who have yet to talk to “neocop san”, implying he himself isn’t one. (One might argue it is cop cover, but I don’t buy it.)
• P#989: “nobody needs to change flavor” written 20 minutes before EOD; 8 seconds before posting “i cant trust yall”

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Ice Cream never claims Neapolitan in order to save themselves, regardless of the context.

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Not sure what you meant by “painless” for w!jail, but if you treat everyone the same way like jail, then we might as well sleep until XYLO.

[Leafia]

Can’t sleep and while you may be onto something there, I don’t think we would’ve seen that surge in activity near EoD 1 if they were both wolves.

@jail

potatocat is non vanilla

We already established that Potatocat would be picking strawberry N1…

@Zone_Q11

@tutuu

The current list for 5 chocolates for N1 is: Tutuu, Zone, Leafia, Jail, PotatoCat

If your name is NOT on this list, it’s mandatory that you pick Vanilla tonight

If your name IS on this list, it’s mandatory that you pick Chocolate tonight

@Zone_Q11

If you are truly Cop and had a redcheck, then it has to be someone outside [Zone, Leafia, tutuu, potatocat].

If you checked one of those four, then you lose credibilty of being Cop due to lack of reading comprehension.

@jail

Im cop

@jail

potatocat is non vanilla

I can finally say this:
Death sentence!

@childe
@Frostwolf103
@Leafia
@potatocat
@Camilleon15
@Creature
@tutuu
@I_like_posts
@Chomps

VOTE: Jail

Jail literally ignored the meta and claimed to choose Potatocat. Something the real cop never would’ve done Magnus.

[jail]

because i found potatocat hella wolfy by eod, and i didn’t exactly have the time to iso her to see any sort of claim to be chocolate. in fact i was only aware of the post where she was claiming she would always pick vanilla.

that was my take literally, and i didn’t want to follow anyone else no offense but… yeah.

@jail

nobody needs to change their flavor

@jail

i cant trust yall

definitely not breadcrumbing though jail definitely is just outed wolf!!!111

[jail]

@jail

breadcrumbing

softing

[jail]

i did not read this post

[Leafia]

Especially when we told the cop not to check Potatocat and even said for no one to claim to check potatocat if you’re the cop?

@jail

because i found potatocat hella wolfy by eod, and i didn’t exactly have the time to iso her to see any sort of claim to be chocolate. in fact i was only aware of the post where she was claiming she would always pick vanilla.

that was my take literally, and i didn’t want to follow anyone else no offense but… yeah.

Hmmm, this is semibelivable at least. Not sure I buy it completely though.

I’ll unvote for now however. I need to think this through when I’m more awake. UNVOTE

[Zwischenzug]

Day 2 Votecount 2

jail (4): Chomps, Zone_Q11, Camilleon15, Magnus
childe (2): tutuu, jail

Not Voting (6): childe, Frostwolf103, potatocat, Creature, I_like_posts, Leafia

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[Leafia]

The way I see it right now is that there’s a nonzero chance that Jail really is the cop. There’s only one thing I’m certain of right now. He’s not a VT. Jail has made that much abundantly clear.

[Magnus]

@Zone_Q11

Not sure what you meant by “painless” for w!jail, but if you treat everyone the same way like jail, then we might as well sleep until XYLO.

This isn’t a frabjous case for me to play devil’s advocate on. Aw well, glory. Parsing it over, it’s very easy to justify keeping any pigeonholed slot alive for extended lengths of time with the slightest justification in this setup, at least insofar as the Neapolitan lives; which means specifically speaking, it doesn’t broadly help or hurt whether a known evil lives or dies; and while it might be undeterminable right now from an external lens, it will be known irrevocably at some future time. It’s not quite the same as sleeping all the time, though.

However, I also don’t really have any suspect I’d really want dead right now as an alternative. Others might, but I’d guess it’d just end up being Childe who I don’t think is super evil. I could be wrong twice but…

[Leafia]

Sadly, if he’s the cip, he’s made that fact abundantly clear to any wolf paying attention too.

[Frostwolf103]

@potatocat

I’m picking vanilla until the cop dies. The cop can check me or not idc.

@potatocat

Is this pl going to actually follow plans or nah? I’ll follow the consensus plan if everybody else participates too. But if people aren’t going to listen then why bother?

@potatocat

The discussion about strategy is pretty much nai. Everyone was obviously thinking about it pregame. Don’t give people credit for stuff that doesn’t actually help town.

@potatocat

If the cop isn’t going to check me then there’s no point staying Vanilla. It doesn’t effect the game. So I’m okay being Chocolate if the consensus is that the cop shouldn’t check me. But I prefer being able to be greenchecked if there’s any chance of that happening.

@potatocat

I didn’t say I wouldn’t become Chocolate if people agreed I was in the pool. And they have. So I will.

I don’t wolfread jail

I’d say the alibi is solid.

[jail]

thats lowkey towns fault bc ive played games with like 80% of the slots in this game countless times and people still think im bad enough at mafia to have zero communication with all of my wolf partners and do nothing but defend them LOL. and im not going to not claim when i am not being listened to otherwise.

also magnus childe is a prime example of someone who is actually spewed wolf via hippo

[Leafia]

Yeah. You’re probably correct Frostwolf. VOTE: Childe

[Leafia]

If we execute Childe and Childe flips w, I’m almost willing to townlock Jail. I lowkey think he’s telling the truth about being the cop here. The only question in my mind is whether or not Potatocat followed thg hr plan if they’re a villager. Let’s ask Potatocat what they picked before deciding anything about Jail.

[Magnus]

@jail

childe is a prime example of someone who is actually spewed wolf via hippo

Clarify. Hippo’s reaction towards Childe’s culpable accusation didn’t feel as pointed and unpartnering as an evil player would ideally want to sound towards another evil, but rather passive and stilted as though not wanting to keep any possible affiliation vague.

[Frostwolf103]

From the quotes I got, potatocat is consistent to follow the plan.

[Magnus]

Chomps’ petition for me to help save them at EOD… yes, Hippo did the same thing, but for Chomps it felt more like a politely earnest request than desperation. Aaah.

VOTE: Creature for competitive wagonomics state. I’ll justify this thereafter I’ve got nothing right now.

[Leafia]

I can see that being the case.

[Zone_Q11]

@jail

i found potatocat hella wolfy by eod

Nowhere was this mentioned at EOD1, nor was it hinted anywhere at SOD2. In fact, the first thing you did at D2 (other than defending yourself) was going along with tutuu’s wagon and voting childe.

I know you said you sold your town leadership to tutuu, but I don’t believe this warrants a blind sheep vote. But okay. Even if “that is simply how you are”, surely you would’ve noticed Leafia’s first post being a “my check was either a red on Magnus or a green on Frostwolf” cop cover? After all, you even responded to it.

Yet when I asked you and Chomps to give results if you were Neapolitan, you didn’t respond to me. No; you responded to Magnus voting you. You were under moderate pressure, but nowhere near the pressure Hippo felt at EOD1, before he started lolcatting. At the time, childe had only one vote less than yourself. There was no need for Neapolitan to claim… if you really are one.

You refused to give your checks at first (which we wouldn’t have asked for, had you not claimed Neapolitan), and when you did give it, you claimed to have checked one of the people who was planned to be non-Vanilla.

You didn’t read tutuu’s plan twice at D1. You didn’t read Chomps’ post correctly. You didn’t read Hippo’s meta correctly. You didn’t read Leafia’s cop cover at the beginning of D2. You didn’t read my demand for potential results, and instead went straight to claiming a Neapolitan whose action is as good as wasted.

In my eyes, there simply is no point in keeping you alive. @Magnus must be tripping, because regardless of what you are, you will 100% claim you got anti-claimed at D3, after which Mafia can just counterclaim at around D5 or so.

[Magnus]

@Zone_Q11

In my eyes, there simply is no point in keeping you alive. @Magnus must be tripping, because regardless of what you are, you will 100% claim you got anti-claimed at D3, after which Mafia can just counterclaim at around D5 or so.

Oh right anticlaim exists. My ramble is now null and void.