Kaguya-sama: Love is War Mafia - Game Over - Town & Hitman Win

[Marluxion]

again

[Magnus]

Who would you like to vote? May as well be honest, nothing’s gained at this stage of the day otherwise.

[Marluxion]

Not sure tbh
I’m just going to wait and see for now

[Marluxion]

If you think molly is a wolf then sell it
dont just go “Well nobody has objected to this…”

[Kanave]

@lol

leafia v jaiden arc took like 200 posts and no one got anywhere

It literally got multiple people to read them V/V,

[Kanave]

imma iso top wagons brb

[Magnus]

If you insist. For context, read my perspective on w!Molly’s behaviour early:

Kaguya-sama: Love is War Mafia - Day 1 - #742 by Magnus.

At SOD, Molly joins the thread and votes Jaiden without explanation.

@mollylikesorigami

VOTE: Jaiden

She also townreads Leafia but doesn’t explain why until prompted.

@mollylikesorigami

i’m townreading leafia too but for a different post

i bet my reason is cooler than yours

Explanation:

@mollylikesorigami

up to this point my eyes were mostly glazing over leafia posts and i was going “mildly towny next”, but this post in particular kinda helped me get my thoughts in order i guess

she suddenly gets really self-assured, and it’s a pretty rare part of the slapfight for wolves to think of/replicate, like you can really feel her thinking jaiden couldn’t possibly have a legit argument because she knows she’s in the right

wolves fake town entitlement but the way this one was just slipped in there felt really real, and i feel like when wolves want to fake something like town entitlement, it has to be a lot more blunt and overt

funny enough it’s almost the exact same read i had on her in fam, so it better be right again or i might be a hack lol

@mollylikesorigami

i can buy leafia

but the way jaiden talks to leafia

really doesn’t feel like someone talking to a locked wolf? like it feels like she still wants to prove she’s right to leafia

if you could explain that read for me please and thank you

At this stage, it’s obvious Molly’s reads are derived from vibes rather than behaviour, which isn’t necessarily AI — it’s D1, everyone’s voting off their perception of other players.

@mollylikesorigami

zorvo feels like an obvious villager lol

Making reads without sharing an explanation suggests a thought process we aren’t seeing. This has been seen before in a great many number of players, and it will be seen again.

@mollylikesorigami

this feels disingenuous since zorvo was (imo) clearly talking about what you did with the time you had here

Sheeping Zorvo’s early scumread on Vulgard, and her posts about Vulgard are clearly tailored in that direction.

@mollylikesorigami

and this is lmfao

should people never attempt to solve slots normally if the option to mech them exists at all? like, if pressure on you results in solving you, zorvo can mech someone else, so why not?

@mollylikesorigami

this callout comes off as unprompted, idg why achro in particular when there are probably a ton of players still in wolf range

She does not vote, which is particularly notable.

@mollylikesorigami

intentionally not voting

@mollylikesorigami

i’m thinking vul could be a villager who decided to rage against the machine because people misread some of his posts/intents and ran with it, though i kinda hate the read

but i’m sure as hell not gonna tr him for “doing stuff” lol

Backing off from challenging Vul earlier, returning to an outwardly neutral stance as the thread’s perspective on Vul changes.

@mollylikesorigami

idk why i like lol’s posting rn lmao

Another random lean.

@mollylikesorigami

i don’t wanna kill achro? he’s playing pretty agenda free with how spontaneously he just lets others take the lead, and everyone’s talking about him like last game he was a big bad thread-controlling teammate-coaching powerwolf.

Here’s an explained read. Achro plays like a villager as either alignment, and I mentioned earlier why nobody should be townreading Achro at this stage of the game as opposed to a nullread, but here you go.

@mollylikesorigami

yeah demisha’s consistently felt pretty good

I can’t say I agree with this assessment, and I know Leafia and Zorvo (at least) also disagree with this assessment.

@mollylikesorigami

i mean, if i don’t bring any meta, it feels like when he starts tunneling he’s really struggling to contain himself, not anything structured

and they feel like a whole new level of bullshit but in a towny way

In case it’s not obvious, this post is defending Zorvo whilst simultaneously attempting to discredit his reads.

@mollylikesorigami

VOTE: Magnus

i am very creative

if i were to make a hipster vote it might be marluna, just because i don’t really believe them reading the thread closely enough to vote vul for “feeling the least town” but then having virtually nothing to say about anyone else, but i’m a coward

if i don’t make it back, glgl

Where am I going with this?
As a villager, Molly started the thread with a meme, votes early because RVS, makes reads without being bothered to explain them without being pressed, bases reads off vibes, sheeping an active player on another likely townie, backs off from said villager from the wagon falls to pieces, townleans lol for no reason, townreads Demisha for no good reason, votes on one of the highest wagons. Even as town, why should Molly be spared here?

[Vulgard]

@beancat

Would someone like to run me through

Being suicidal is a town mindset, beancat V.
Jokes aside, cloned (beancat) townreading me feels weird, because he usually wolfreads me when I’m town, and townreads me when I’m mafia. If he’s V, this is the first time he’s actually finding me as my alignment, which would be a historic moment.

Not sure if this makes him a wolf but the thought did cross my mind.

@Zorvo

I f V ulgard P ushes Y ou H e I s A W olf

He never pushed Catbae so that’s the one good look and only good look I’ve seen so far from Vulgard.

Why would me pushing catbae make me a wolf? Is catbae’s alignment not a factor?

@Zorvo

Do you agree with Magnus’s analysis on Molly’s treatment of you?

I did briefly consider molly might be mafia but I’m not 100% sure. Wouldn’t oppose her being wagoned but it’s not my priority.

[Vulgard]

VOTE: Jackrito

[Vulgard]

I don’t think Kanave has improved, but the wagon vanished and I’m okay with this as well.

[Vulgard]

@Magnus

Where am I going with this?
As a villager, Molly started the thread with a meme, votes early because RVS, makes reads without being bothered to explain them without being pressed, bases reads off vibes, sheeping an active player on another likely townie, backs off from said villager from the wagon falls to pieces, townleans lol for no reason, townreads Demisha for no good reason, votes on one of the highest wagons. Even as town, why should Molly be spared here?

Are you trying to make the argument that molly is negative utility even if town and should be day 1ed for it?

[Magnus]

In the linked post, I made the argument why w!Molly makes sense to me, enough sense to vote her. I don’t know Molly’s playstyle, I’m just going off what I’ve seen this game. And at this point if I let go of this lifeline I die, so I could be twisting the facts without realising it, but I don’t really see a reason to keep Molly alive unless she claims a PR or something.

Her death doesn’t provide the most info, I’ll admit, although none of these deaths seem to.

[Jaiden]

Okay, good to know.

Question 1: Do you think people can change?

[Marluxion]

Disagree

[Kanave]

update: did not happen
setting alarm and praying im up for the last 30m of eod brain no working

[Achromatic]

I dont have any overt reason to suspect them so just shielding to see what happens.

[Achromatic]

@magnus hiya let me know

[Magnus]

This timing is tragic. I was planning to turn in for the night relatively soon, got stuff tomorrow.
What’s up?

[Zorvo]

Must be why you read Magnus a wolf.
You can’t meta read lol.

[Magnus]

This site would be a better place if you all readjusted to AEST timezone, which is blatantly superior like all things Australian. Don’t expect me to reappear before EOD, I’ll see you all past the start of D2. I will be very angry if I’m axed today. G’night!