Woke up early myself, looking into Chomps and Ishmael. The way I say it, Ishmael sees Chomps as mafia in the current top wagon with the gambit.
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Not sure how I feel about Kiiruma’s explaination but willing to put him back at null for now. I want more opinions about his idea too. What does everyone else think?
Yup. The best kind.
Giggles
Unnecessary shade. How does not wanting to maximise the chances of a misexe suspicious? Magnus gets a slim scumlean from me. This just seems like a chance to make me look bad to me.
Oh, that’s where you’re wrong. I’m not polarized at all. I’ve fooled so many people as a wolf and been misexed a lot as a villager.
If someone is totally unreadable, then how can they be leaning town? Yeah, this deserves a vote.
VOTE: Magnus
It’s an anime? I’ve never heard of it myself.
Admitting this is slightly villagery I think too. He could easily have kept that a secret that he was a big fan of it which would’ve benefitted him a lot as a wolf. Slight townlean for Kiiruma now.
I don’t think Chomps has done anything AI yet and yet you have him as your strongest townread?
Actually, yes he is.
Starting to lean that way myself. Hippo somewhat likely to be town too.
Please explain why a wolf would be concerned about town misexeing.
Took an aftersupper nap. Slept longer than expected.
I don’t make up reasons Magnus and I didn’t push either of them. I’ve just been trying to get things started and generate content that can be read and get everyone else to do the same. Yeah, I really don’t think Magnus is town here.
Plus, I engage in RVS early game at times.
Willing to give Ishmael the slimmest of townleans here.
Catbae can have a slim townlean too.
I like how he has the same concerns as me and Tutuu sounds villagery too.
Was he a wolf?
Except villagers lie at times too.
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my messages get 2 different meanings when i read them call me the riddler
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or just sleepy dumb
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ok there’s a huge wall I dont wanna read this anymore goodbyere
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Frankly none of your stances are convincingly town-indicative when weighed against the likelihood of an evil feigning otherwise.
Your primarily recognised sin as Mafia is to assert reads without the proper backing or reasoning to substantiate them in any light, and in this case you illuminated a visceral townread on Leafia with deliberate untidiness as if you wanted to appear unfiltered and thereby pure — at the expense of seeming coherent and understandable, which is a particular fault given how Leafia was also met with undue early attention. At the very least it resembles a desire to overlook actually needing to substantiate a tangible position on the slot, like if Leafia was executed it’s just “whatever”, you townread her but you weren’t really that confident in it yada yada. It’s immutable.
The same issue also applies to your stance on Kiiruma, which was just “logical if town, fascinating if evil, no stern position”; so well as Chomps with “here’s a history of similar messages from a past evil game but it means little now”. Despite these oppositional thoughts, you marked them both green in your readlist despite your expressed ideas not matching that conclusion.
Creating an early unpartnering stance before forming a firm opinion on really any slot in the game much cross as confirmation-bias, but it’s more just fuel on the fire.
I don’t think I could reasonably express my early reads as paranoid. Reaching, sure; but anything could be likened to such, meaning such brandings can’t prove especially conductive for rigorous debate. Either it’s an earnest thought or an utter fabrication as means to an end, but either way I’m not reaction baiting you. That was for Leafia.
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About the gambler’s mechanic that the majority of town should pick one target as non-town for maximum gain?
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Town!
Hopefully not when they’re my teammates, if they don’t have a good reason 
(Happens too often!!!)
weak brand of coffee 
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A bit too much for me pal, I read it and I … sorta understood your point. If you’d like me to reply to any part in specific it’d help me a ton if you could point it for me specifically 
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Yes.
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At this point, I don’t know if this is beneficial for everyone on first day.
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Well, going to call it a night now everyone, so good night. 
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You’re still awake relatively early, feel free to take breakfast then parse over things again once you’re feeling more refreshed. A cold shower could help wonders to revitalise your senses.
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Maybe, I’m not sure. Looks good for me then as I did a good job of explaining my reads here
I don’t like lying. I’d be lying if I said anything else
Doesn’t make sense to me at all. Other people meeting Leafia with early undue attention? That doesn’t matter to me at all
Who said anything about Leafia being executed? Paranoia! You want me to be mafia
Nope. I never said my townread on kiiruma is because of that. and my position was stern
Yes, you think so because you didn’t mention the actual reasons I townread them for!
I have no idea what you’re trying to say
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UNVOTE Tutuu
VOTE: Leafia
I do not like the reaction to magnus very much in that there’s a hint of defensiveness to it and is trying to make a big deal out of a pretty ordinary post.
Magnus’s arguments toward tutuu feel like they are probably coming from a real place, but I thought tutuu’s posting on return to thread was adequate myself. I am led to believe magnus is able to spin up loads of nonsense as mafia but have not seen it myself, for now default assumption is toward town
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I apologise for any confusion brought upon by convoluted or misleading statements on my behalf, that’s entirely my fault and I’ll work at making myself more easily understood.
Kiiruma and Catbae have both expressed question regarding Leafia’s slot, the former with decidedly more vigour than the latter. I, personally, expressed the first read of the game as suspicion on Leafia. Unless you completely overlooked this thread of topic entirely and just haven’t read the thread at all (proclaimed to be previously true, seemingly debunked with your rereading commentary), you should be aware of this. Therefore, posting an insubstantial townread on Leafia which doesn’t commit to either side could be presented as an excuse to skedaddle aside.
Therefore, it’s emphatically relevant.
The way I interpret this message in my head is that you’re only townreading Kiiruma because his phraseology stresses an internal mindset, which should apply irrespective of alignment since evils aren’t robots, which you found fascinating enough to sign off with enthusiasm. Your read feels artificial.
Your other rebuttals don’t really seem directly pertinent, just illuminating subjective brevity to highlight your behaviour.
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I went back up to look at the player liost and saw chomps somehow has 50 posts lmao. realistically I shouldn’t give him credit for that since it’s not like most of them have real game content but even having the energy to mindlessly shitpost is trending town there
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Bit of a slow start bt it’s early still
anyway I’m headed to sleep, but before I go:
I have a compulsive action I have to choose someone to target with. This person will have a choice, depending on the choice they will get a penalty, or I will. I’m putting this out in the open now in the interest of transparency because I believe it’s better for me to be open and accountable with what I’m doing, so there’s no concern it’s an evil action and people can be aware of whatever penalties arise.
been incredibly vague because of anticlaim but thought it was worthwhile to mention this.
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I forgot if I saw that or not. At this very moment it’s not in my memory. I read all posts and I must have parsed those parts as not that important for me
Could be, but can you not take this argument to justify literally anything as potential scummyness?
“Tutuu posting an insubstantial townread on Leafia who is taking heat could be a sign of scummyness”
Like yeah if I flip mafia and you go back and re-read the game you could go like “Oh hey, look what I noticed. Tutuu this this and that. Makes sense why he did that…” but isn’t this like justifying it after the fact? I’d argue this isn’t an inherently scummy thing on its own, unless you think posting unsubstantial townreads on its own a general scum tell. Because the only fact that we know for sure is that I posted an unsubstantial townread. If I am town, that’s all there is to it. And I posted that read because I was just honest about not being confident, and why would your and Kiiruma’s stances on Leafia would have to deter me from making my own read on Leafia? Wouldn’t make sense at all for me to act as town that way. If I am mafia, maybe what you said was my reason. But unsubstantial townread is the only thing to read me off of, I think. For that scenario at least. Like it’s the only thing that is certain. And the leafia heat thing is an explanation after the fact, if im mafia, not a symptom for me to be mafia, i think. You dont think its reasonable for town me to make that read?
you could say an internal mindset yeah. “should” apply - sure, but it should apply if they are tryharding, in my ideas of tryharding. i dont think it “does” apply. and its not about the humanity of the players. its about ability. its not intuitive to do it as wolf. and “it” is - to not just lay out all your lies in an easily digestible manner
and what i found fascinating is kiiruma’s change of character. thats not related to my read on kiiruma, which is based off kiiruma’s lack of presenting this change of character in a palatable manner. the substance of his messages i found fascinating, his delivery i found alignment indicative
my enthusiasm to lock him town is not what you say too. its because of his tone of slight annoyance at chomps