Last Stand of the Virtuous V: Venerated - Day 3 (10/17) - UNSEEN AND VISCOUNT WIN

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#5386

The neuts are relatively harmless to town.
There’s only 1-2 neuts anyway, none of which are NK.
And the conversion mechanics really just suck for evil.
The amount of town confirmation is inane in the current game.

I’m glad to be winning it but at the same time, this just feels so bleh.

The one thing I can recognise is we caught onto evils fairly quickly.
But like that’s rewarding enough for us to get a kill on an evil. We certainly don’t need “And you can’t expand your ranks” added onto the reward.

#5387

2 day cooldown and an Nk like in the base game would be fine. I don’t like NK’s that are rediculously overpowered they’re borderline unfun to play against. The NK’s in the last game were kinda in the boat of “really unfun to play against” I mean I remember demon or something just being stupid and lich forces you to play bad and kill people you think are town just in case they’re the phylactery

#5388

Conversion mechanics are bad enough when there’s an NK also to worry about basically

#5389

But I also want psycho king in this so I want an NK that doesn’t make me want to shoot myself trying to find it. Something like sorcerer that if you do catch it, it’s got a way out but it’s not uber-obnoxious

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#5390

Oh I agree that the NKs should be better but they also should just be there.
The fact that there’s no conversion upon deaths and no NKs is what’s causing us to have this mech locked situation instead of something more interesting and fun

#5391

Like hello there’s like 6 of these NK’s

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#5392

Huh it’s weird how that game had a ‘Draw’ and NKs but this one has a Town stomp and no NKs.
Weird how that works ngl

#5393

Oh and the conversion mechanic wasn’t just terrible.

#5394

I’m basically saying solving for 1 of 6 NK’s being in the game when like idk 2 or 3 of these bypass death immunity and/or healing and others clean logs it’s just too much on top of everything else

Maybe like 3 NK’s to solve between at best all doing different things sure but you know, only 3 of them so it’s not literally impossible to figure out

#5395

I’m ok with like 3 NKs or whatever but this game proves why it needs NKs and a good conversion mechanic.

Not just buff town by removing NKs, buff town by screwing the conversion mechanics and buff town by just having all the confirmation under the sun but it’s ok evils because the heroine got a slight buff.

#5396

and Ik they’re an NK but like I really don’t think an NK should just have free immunity bypassing for no reason because roles having strongmans for literally no reason. Like they should have a strongman so they can deal with whatever faction they need to but it shouldn’t be for free

Like this is literally just free

#5397

I know I compare it to TOL the game a lot but like it’s mirroring it so there we have it

Reaper/Possessor/Sorc all had different weaknesses and strengths, reaper could bypass immunities by using souls but it was the only NK that could do it

I mean yeah I guess sorc blew people up but they could still be healed, and poss jump/generic reaper attack bypassed healing but not death immunity

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#5398

Like what’s the point in even having a distinction between healing/generic death immunity if every role in this game just bypasses both anyway, for bleed healing? that’s about it

#5399

Oh mate it compare it to ToL too because it’s what it’s based off.
And this here is just ToL but town wins.

#5400

It’s a forum game so it’s different in all the ways that matter and obviously I don’t know design that well but I do know that in a mechanic-heavy game having a role that just says fuck you to the mechanics despite you using them well and being an NK at the same time is just very irritating

#5401

Except this game where the ‘buff’ that Heroine got doesn’t even let them bypass both lol

#5402

I’m fine with that because it’s their generic attack and their generic attack bypassing both would be insanely stupid

#5403

It’s their generic attack but non-consecutive to be fair.
Since they can’t use the same buff 2x in a row.

#5404

It’s still somewhat silly to have the generic attack bypass either/or because of what might or might not be in the game - if there are more healers than “death immune” granting roles for example then healers later on will become redundant purely because the heroine doesn’t care about them any more

#5405

You did say you don’t like just everything for free.
Knowing it’s non-consecutive is already a decent price considering the circumstance they’re in