Ty for hosting it, I’m sorry I kinda just gave up but like ain’t much ya can do sometimes.
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ty for hosting
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yeah lol
anyway, main mistake
BD cannot fight the confirms in the same way HoB can. Like think about it this way. The occ confirms are invalid vs HoB, the night bleeds are sorta invalid, prestige are invalid confirms
This Must Change, probably
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Imo BD needs some catchup one of their members dies d1 cuz its just so fucking bad for them
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TRIPLE MARICHONESS MASSACRE 
gg guys!!! it seems like rand was very townsided
@Eve sorry for tunneling -_-. pandora u are goated, and lilith ily!!
Fatal Miscalculations that resulted in the game being this way (copied from spec)
- Blue Dragon promotion in general; three visionaries was probably actually a detriment to BD, with the new conversion mechanics. This resulted in zero room for converts or converts abilities which is critical to the game’s balance. If we had rolled in Hand of Byzantium this game would’ve gone much differently for scum (though they’d still probably lose, they would have room to have convert abilities and avoid a shit ton of clears)
- Two Templars can confirm each other with little room for anything, given the fact that the converts cannot cure bleeds, they can only induce fake bleeds. this is Bad. Templar needs an alternate 2nd ability.
- Viscount’s Royal Blood wincondition is supposed to be a harder Inquisitor wincon, which it is, but it for some reason was considered the primary wincon.
- Sibyl is ~still overtuned. Should have been the only Unseen Prestige role. The Death should probably just be a normal bleed but I couldn’t bring myself to remove the dayvig <:sob2:994736550611005550>
- Illusionist converts need to be able to multitask their additional abilities (especially Cabalist). This did not impact the game much, it was mostly the BD promotion that ruined this, but it’s still worth considering.
- Chancellor is weird if converts don’t keep royal blood on class change. This is a really easy fix it just got overlooked.
- Evil King is still a bullshit role that should never be included. GK is not impactful enough still.
- see Setup Thoughts also
Things That Were Probably Fine
- Icet was right when he said that Marchinoess or however u spell it is a really weak role. It was able to investigate maybe two people across its three copies, and only a hard confirm beacuse of BD promotion. This is partially because they were occupied 10 gazillion times but yeah
- Infiltrator mostly functions as an N2 vig. I am generally ok with this but it needs more options for a varied playstyle, probably.
Misc Setup Thoughts
Setup Thoughts
- BD are extremely swingy simply due to visionary promotion (and visionary is a relatively weak role). we have proposed alternate ways of making Visionary work that i don’t think we arer ready to reveal yet, but they’re there.
- BD are extremely swingy due to CTA abilities. there’s quite a few CTA abiltiies that are 1-shot kills or 1-2 shot strongmen. this is something we looked at very closely in design and weren’t quite able to fix. it’s something we can only do slightly better on, i think, without reworking the entire core of the blue dragon.
- Viscount is probably a bad neutral. i feared this but combined with d2 king elections its really bad. we might keep it because all neutrals are bad neutrals but
- King should probably just be elected d2. evil king is far too impactful for a role that is not guranteed, and good king is not impactful enough. this is probably an unsolvable problem.
- roles that are supposed to keep self-confirm abilities upon class change are extremely inconsistent about it. for example, Mystic and Cabalist do not keep any abilities upon promotion, unless they were converted from the exiled. this is a simple fix, we just need to make it more consistent and not relegate it to passives.
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They lose all claim space and/or lose their factional killer
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triple marchioness was chad
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yes
this is the thing we wish to remedy
BD also has like CTA which is just op tho
They didnt use it since well yeah, but I feel as tho even if it does need a slight buff it is still powerful in its own right
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yeah we’re hacking at the root next time
rather than giving them a catchp mechanic
…hacking… the root?
NO PLEASE
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it is likely Visionary will see an overhaul to fulfill this purpose
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Great work team
It could have been closer but we locked the fuck in
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scumchat will come if scum agree
I actually think Heroine is perfectly fine btw
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