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Alright, I think that settles that for now. If the King shall decide to spare you then so shall I at this time.
I’m welcoming any and all attempts to confirmation with regards to myself.
Of course evils are able to mess with this potentially but if they want to waste time doing that themselves then so be it.
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Also, I might need to kill a certain villager, but I can help town until then by confirming people. That’s very powerful.
Good morning to you
seems like not a lot going on, huh
Besides the compromise is made not long ago
What can affect confirmation?
Let’s take a dive into this.
The Mastermind
Does this mean that the Mastermind character also appear as a certain class to investigative abilities or just as BD? As if it appears as BD then I think it would be amusing if a headhunter would just learn ‘Blue Dragon. Special’ as there aren’t many of those to hide behind.
The Cop
The Crone
The Gender
The Sage
This thing has too many spells, you look at it if you want, it feels like effort to me lol
The Sellsword
The Acolyte
The Apostle
The Cabalist
Similar to The Sage, there’s a lot of things. I’m sure this can mess with stuff.
The Invoker
The Ritualist
The Seeker
The Fool
The Scorned
The Vigilante
And this doesn’t even take into mind those who can occupy. Well this certainly isn’t ideal with trying to be confirmed now, is it?
Between the headhunter and the observer, I’d side with the observer who isn’t roleblocked by evil roleblocker and I think Helsing is okay in my book for this day.
I mean town has no incentive to claim that they are that role, which buys you a good bit of time, especially with potential later plays.
Oh I’m not siding with the Headhunter and against the Observer, I guess you might be able to call me selfish but I am attempting to get confirmed if possible as it benefits me. And further benefits town due to meaning I shall not be misexecuted.
The main social deduction game I’ve played in the past was Among Us and modded at that. It was something which I would play a good bit but I learned to vastly distrust neutrals and so I am trying not to be quite so bullheaded here. Especially hearing a neutral saying they’re town siding but needs to kill someone who is town.
This reads like a shitpost. For clarification, no that’s not how it works.
I can also consider unseen can disguise under benevolence of good neutral neighbor
I am inherently distrustful of neutrals who claim they are benevolent and instead attacks town members.
VOTE: McBrainsLFOL
If the neutral is harmful, might as well get them out of the way as this is still a >rand beneficial action. I don’t have much patience in general with neutrals that harm town. My own experience included.
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I think it’s funny to blankly deny allegations of wolfsiding when your wincondition is to kill a townie. But besides that: Generally Neutrals are going to want to survive, on its own, or among other things. This puts a cap at how much they can townside, or wolfside for that matter. Now typically both sides are going to be hesitant to kill a claimed neutral, because it doesn’t directly affect their wincondition.
But as for that wincondition, no matter what a neutral claims their allegiance is first and foremost towards themselves. This is very rarely going to help town more than it hurts them. Like in this case. As a result, neutrals tend to townside in order to gain some time. I’m not certain that killing you & saving observer is advancing town wincondition, but it is certainly better for us if you do not succeed.
Let’s look at some scenarios:
- The unseen find out who the observer is. They would like you to have this information, so that you kill that person, and their wincondition is advanced. Would need a refresh on the mechanisms through which the communication specifically possible, but it would be in their interest.
- The observer has information from night 1, and would otherwise claim it. They are discouraged from claiming, at risk that they might be shot. This hinders town’s win condition
- Blue dragon sweeeeep! There’s mathematically only one threat left. Your night action discloses who this person is. You are not claiming that information, and might even try to hide it.
I suppose one might consider it unfair to not consider the opposite situation, wherein we are on our last legs and you help us. I do not consider these situations to cancel themselves out.
When it comes down to it you will scumside more than townside. Your information is welcome, and may help us, but do not fool yourself.
There is also the matter of fakeclaims. This is normally more serious of a matter for town, as a benign fakeclaim would only be made by killing neutral from scum perspective, and those still can wolfside, but are more generally trying to even out the field, keyword trying. Whereas town has to be wary of this. Granted claiming mechanical information like that isn’t likely to be sustainable, but it is a possibility.
McBrains - Nuet that I believe is playing for town
Summary
Their first seven posts of the game seem to be concerned about the game if it’s bastard or not based on the two kings. Meaning most likely implying that they don’t know the reasons so if the other king is evil for any reason this is probably good.
Post #41: Yeah I could see why they can believe that is somewhat scummy but I think that was just a d1 meme so nothing too much to read in there. But to call it out is somewhat okay but after the 15 minute day it gives someone who wants to play the game.
Posts #50/52: Yeah they want to play the game but it does seem based on this mode the less time we have less time to have some shenanigans (I also need to post)
Post #57: Interesting. I don’t know how to truly feel about this post because no matter the side information is power for any day action. So is this really a towny post? I don’t fucking know
Post #60: Confirms somewhat another role in the game based on this post. I wonder if anyone claims this (this is the iso i’m doing. I’m just going down from top to lowest poster)
Post #67: I think that interaction between the two is at worst neutral because it seems like a joke that anyone could make. So I don’t like the slight townread on this too much but can understand the world that they can come from.
Post #69-76: I mean with that shot ringing out in the day I could see why they would want to support Sabrina’s idea. I could just be slow on the uptake but I don’t think that’s the greatest move that could be made. I would do it on the king to see what the hell happened since I don’t think someone kills themselves at that first 15 minutes
Post #99: Okay. I don’t see any reason to distrust the flip at all so pushing the idea that it’s probably unseen is a good idea from the duo of Sabrina and McBrains. So I think if either Sabrina or Mcbrains is evil based on these posts the other probably is. I think they are at least paired or truly believe that they are on the same alignment.
Post #127: Oh…Now I feel silly about making the ISO to this point…
Post #146/147: Yeah if this is nuet I truly believe they would side town and help us out based on the way they were talking earlier. It just seems like they would help us since we have pissed them off because that would be a one way ticket to get them off the board.
Post #163: Yeah I just believe that is the target. I’m willing to let them stay on the board because if for some reason we find out that person doesn’t exist we know the person that’s going to be shoved in the later portions of the game if we need an exe and that seems the easiest to find out the truth behind.
Post #194: I think this is the post that solidifies that they are probably nuet. I don’t know exactly the King Jackie could possibly be at this point. But I could see a world where both could be evil working out this play but I don’t live in that at all. So I’m going to believe those two at the moment.
Post #215-256: From the way they are posting I think they are truly trying to help the town and are trying to take actions to benefit us as a whole. Sure they are a nuet and care about living by themselves but it’s to complete their win con and to not be eliminated off the board if they are nuet. But let’s take a look if they are evil…if they are evil I think they believe they are a truly important role evils want to keep on the board. But I ain’t in that tunnel yet.
Post #347: Hey that’s me! Pro tip: don’t drink too much apple juice, it makes you very sick.
Post #352: I mean do they want to go out? I could see a world where they put out their information but at the same time they would become the highest priority…In the moment of writing it I have basically just slipped that I’m investigating for thinking about it so after I’m done and if people really want it to cause more discussion I’m down to share.
Jackie- BD
Summary
Post #111: Bodysnatcher is something that I don’t know what to feel about right now. At first I thought it was a miss play because of the fact they just kinda ignored the rest of their abilities. Forgetting the fact this would be a new person using an account later and if we noticed something was off I could see it. But saying it’s sus to not see that it wasn’t bad gives a vibe that they want to kill someone for any reason. But this is basically our first exe of the game so can’t read too hard.
Post #113: The thing I’m not sure about is why have two starting kings at the start of the day. It’s just off to me but if it was two starting good kings I guess it’s fine. But kinda weird for a setup to be that way but knowing what I know about McBrains I see what they might have.
Post #116: I believe this person is trying their best to confirm themselves as a member of the town and if they were evil the only reason they would out it is that the person is nuet. Oh well they were nuet based on their claim but if the other person ever flips evil I think this is just confirmed BD.
Post #120: 
Post #131: I think this true fear about the lineup that we are up against. If it’s two starting good kings and they decided to trust one another with those claims, that’s actually two great investigatives that I doubt they would stop without a case of murder.
Post #165: Concern about the two king dilemma. I mean it’s something to think about that the hosts felt that they needed to give us two kings. The question is probably to have a safe guard if both of them are good or have them fight to the death to cause a tvt or tvw at the start of the day since people would mistrust at least one of them.
Post #268: Another push for town to act on the choices they have provided so they can get themselves confirmed or to let McBrains live to see another day. Which I think from this reminder I think this social confirms them as good as the fact they did basically out McBrains as nuet (probably)
Post #331/335: I could see the logic that Mafia would back up a town who is trying to get rid of a neutral but don’t want to be the main voice. It prevents one of their own from being killed on the block while technically getting rid of an enemy but in this case the enemy is the head hunter which could have sided with them but now it’s all out in the open.
Nevermore- BD
Summary
Post #85: This conclusion is something that I still don’t understand. But it seems that people are thinking that it’s probably three evils alive. But noted that they tried to help Sabrina understand it so it could be any combo in the world with them. But I think this post is just a neutral post and isn’t truly alignment indicative.
Post #110: I’m in fact reading all of Nevermore’s posts with sophisticated wording with an accent. But besides that this conclusion seems to be agreed upon in the town so this could be a town read because I think they were the ones pushing that world but I haven’t read all the iso’s so I’m not too entirely sure. But honestly with the way they are talking I think they are slightly leaning good because I can see a world where someone is annoyed by it and puts a spotlight on nevermore. So I don’t think this is something a mafia would do.
Post #117: Apple Juice…
Post #214: Yeah, another person agreeing with the world that the Bodysnatcher committed the crime against Glinda. But something about the way they use their words to sound old-timey is something I believe a mafia wouldn’t do but I can see the world where they do since it did make me double take some of their posts to fully understand what they meant by it.
Post #237: Oh a visual of all the roles that have been kinda implied. That helped me alot so thanks for making it. I thought we had so few roles claimed but having the evil team being somewhat out in what power they have is useful. So I believe this is a BD since I think they dropped their way of typing to make this clear somewhat. I’m willing to trust this slot.
Post #243: …fair
Post #249: Honestly, them being interested in one of the low posters is giving me more good vibes even though I’m the one they want to peer into. I guess this could be an evil seeing a town low poster and could be just trying to get an easy kill but the way they have been acting doesn’t give me an intent of evilness. I think this is just a town wanting more voices instead of hearing the same ones over and over again in case people have some important info.
Sabrina- Unseen?
Summary
Post #47: Unlikely.
Post #65: While doing some other posts, first saying this early makes sense as we have later decided the possibilities just based on interactions alone. But I can also see the world they suggested this to use up one the charger for the ability if these classes have them.
Post #68: Okay they fixed a mistake that I didn’t even catch while reading these posts. So them doing this just made their initial assumption a bit more valid at the time like it was a genuine mistake of what it truly meant. But something about it…I don’t know…I hate instincts….
Post #70: In hindsight…why would an evil kill themself when they are in the minority. It doesn’t make sense to suggest at this moment in time but who knows maybe I missed the reason why evils should kill themself.
Post #185: Another suggestion of using limited resources on day 2. I understand that we need to do actions to find the evil team but at the end of the day if we don’t have these resources later we will lose the game. Sure this can be evil trying to waste as many actions as possible but it looks like they are being genuine with their remarks.
Post #224: This is another voice behind the anti headhunter agenda. But for some reason I don’t believe this anti voice. Like during the time I was looking at McBrains I forgot about the fact Sabrina also wanted them gone because it seemed bad. But when I get to Lupin I think they are a BD but this one wasn’t too vocal compared to Lupin so this could be the evil trying to push for the exe that isn’t one among their ranks.
Post #293: This seems like a post trying to discredit someone who is gaining traction in town. Which doesn’t seem like much but in a game where even a bit of doubt is shown against someone people will think about it. Sure it’s good to keep an open mind about every single world and evil teams but this one doesn’t make sense compared to some of their earlier posts.
Lupin- BD with a lot of Nuet paranoia
Summary
Posts #40-46: Funny joke but I think that this was truly a joke and not a genuine suggestion. Like I believe this post was to ease some of their nerves coming into this game to have some fun and not stress. Meaning I believe they might have a powerful role and hopefully it’s BD.
Post #55: Rip
Post #166: Paranoia of the nuet. Honestly I can trust this one because one of the more active voices against the nuet here because they believe it doesn’t help town and it just sounded so genuine to not be burned in the last minute and have the game blow up because of it.
Post #210: Truly paranoid even after they are trying to help good in my eyes. Like paranoia is something that can’t be truly faked well in my experience. So I think based on this and the next post they made questioning them to be trying to live.
Post #266: I think the argument against this post is that if BD is winning the person they need to kill they would take without saboing us. So us doing well makes them want to work with us because they don’t win if the Unseen kills them before they are able to take their shot. So killing unseen makes it easier for them to win.
Nikki- Null mostly
Summary
Post #155: I could see the world where acting confused gives you credibility here. Since you had a bit of time to understand what the role did and by acting like that can give you an out by saying you didn’t know that interaction. Based on that post it makes them seem good to begin with.
Post #176/184: An insight on where they are at in this current passage of time. Honestly based on what they have commented on I agree on all accounts besides the Mcbrains is unseen. But I can say we are thinking somewhat the same and willing to trust it. (watch me be completely wrong in every read and this is unseen trying to support unseen but I ain’t in the tunnel yet)
Post #289: I haven’t read their posts so I will come back to this later to make a note of it to fully understand where this is coming from.
Post #353: The only point I can disagree with based on what I have read is the Sabrina one for nuet pushing plus trying to use many resources at the start of the game. Sure this is a place to use me but it didn’t seem right to me and could have come from somewhere else.
Post #369: I know I’m a low poster in this current moment in time but their argument “against” Warlock makes valid sense since it doesn’t make a difference in the grand scheme of things until I act.
Catherine- Confused Null
Summary
Post #78: Genuine confusion here. I think this was true on why was it under Unseen tab so I can believe it even if they were evil that they are still confused in that world.
Post #115: I believe this person when they say it. Since I was under that line of thinking at the start until I started to read the posts to understand that it might have been on their best plays against the BD.
Gravedigger - Null leaning unseen
Summary
Post #362: Yeah entering chat with a post like that always gives brownie points. But I do agree that Lupin is probably town sided but besides that there is nothing else to glean from this post and this was one of the later posts so they probably don’t know the state of the chat.
Post #363: Okay I don’t know what to feel about this post as this is a similar vein to Sabrina when they suggested using an ability to find out the truth behind one of the deaths but this was just a bit longer way to say it.
Post #365: I wouldn’t take the vig shot this early because of the fact they could be converted and knowing that they are suspected by some of the towns make it more unlikely and want the target to be converted. So keeping the head hunter in my eyes is an okay move because this discourages the unseen to convert two different people based on the amount of guns point against one another.
Post #400/422: For some reason asking to be investigated this didn’t sit right with me since I’m not sure of the role list since people could miss register early (I know I saw it on one of the role cards) So they could be banking on it to be one of the people who are ‘confirmed’ good while going undercover to blow us up.
WhiteWitch- Null
Summary
Post #48-53: Wacky making this type of joke early once someone was so against it putting a spotlight on them. If evil I could see it being trying to have the spotlight and move it somewhere else later to basically say that we have discussed them.
Post #245: I mean it shows that they trust Jackie but I think most of us do something. But at the end of the day I don’t know what to feel about this comment at all because there is a lack of stuff. [sorry to the people needing to read my singular post to get a read on me]
Warlock- Null leaning pocketing
Summary
Post #360: I talked about this post somewhat. But I really believe another vote on me is fine and doesn’t change much of pressure so being questionable about it is fine. But if it was like two more votes to hammer I would understand it. But I just simply need to post more. Also could be a post to pocket a low poster.
Helsing- BD
Summary
Post #390: I trust this post of knowledge since it slightly puts them in danger but it shows that they have something. I don’t know the rolelist at the top of my head and was scrolling through them but I’m going to assume that it’s a town like role that got the information they obtained.
Kande- Null leaning BD
Summary
Post #87: I thought this was not blood on the clock tower. But fair enough to make sure the information you got was the best it could be. But the only tick against this post could be that they are trying to make sure that their bluff is valid.
Post #104: D:
Post #437: Yeah with their entire argument of being anti nuet seems to be reasonably placed compared to someone else that was anti nuet [looks at sabrina] Based on this post I makes me want to believe that they are BD to show that keeping the nuet may not be the best with a lot more than some others.
Plaguebearer- Nul
Summary
None of their posts gave me something to read into their intentions besides some shorthand comments about the game. So I can’t really tell where they are coming from. But low poster shenanigans I guess. I will be keeping my eyes on you!
Holy shit that took a long time to parse. But if anyone wants the chat now is the time to do so with me. Also sorry for making that long of a post for people to read but I felt that it was necessary because I’m one of the lowest (possibly lowest) poster in the game. If a point needs clarification please ask.
im not clicking any of those tags glgl
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D: That was like three hours of work. But do you have a topic to chat about if you are not going to read it about with me. So you can try to glean anything from me.
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Weak, but I am intruiged so I am going to check.
Hey, you’re missing me, Plaguebearer, and Widow.
(Half kidding. I know we are lowposters.)
WAIT IT DIDN’T PASTE MY ENTIRE THING?
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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