Mafia: Trials and Tribulations [Thread 1 - DO NOT POST]

[Maria-Theresa]

@Leafia

And scum having an ability that prevents them from silencing someone unless they themselves die? How is that in any way balanced?

@Leafia

I’m Maya Fey, town channeler. My only ability is a passive that treestumps whoever the mafia killed at night. It can only work once and it also puts me in a neighborhood with that person. I didn’t expect no one to die.

You answered your own question.

[Leafia]

This is why I still have you as null despite EoD2. My ability makes no sense if scum has it.

[Atlas]

because i suspect you for logical reasons?

[Leafia]

Atlas, killing someone silences them. My ability stops that from happening once.

[Maria-Theresa]

If I was a wolf and I randed that role I would be salivating.

However I would likely also be salivating as a villager.

[Millium]

ya thats what I thought last game when a wolf ended up having an ability that allowed them to speak to spec chat

[Leafia]

They aren’t logical at all.

[Leafia]

That’s completely different.

[Atlas]

i disagree

[Leafia]

I did not answer it.

[Maria-Theresa]

Why are you following Seth’s read when it makes no sense with the knowledge that I was trusting Marluxion?

[Leafia]

Then you’re either a dumb villager or just a wolf trying to get pressure off your scumbuddy.

[Leafia]

It makes perfect sense if you think about it Maria.

[Maria-Theresa]

Yes you did.

Opening a neighbourhood with the treestump that everyone likely trusts and respects the reads of due to dying night 1, and having the potential to pocket that person not only by just being in a neighbourhood but also by virtue of bringing them back from the dead?

I actually hope you’re not a wolf since that would mean you don’t see the raw power of your role and that would be sad. I would love that role as either alignment.

[Maria-Theresa]

No it doesn’t, firstly I’m a villager. Secondly, the only reason that Seth is pushing me is because he clearly hadn’t read the thread and therefore thought me tying the wagons was an attempt to save Babe and not an attempt to potentially green check Babel or Eliza.

What’s your excuse?

[Leafia]

A role like that still makes no sense as a wolf Maria. Stop trying to claim otherwise. It’s negative utility for a wolf and I think you know it.

[Lucky]

@Maria-Theresa

For context Marluxion claimed to be a role that kills the wolf if there is a wolf/village tie at the end of the day. Despite me wolf reading Marluxion at the start of the day, I thought Marluxion claimed in a decently villagery way, and overall that trusting Marluxion made a decent amount of sense even if I wasn’t prepared to roll over just yet. Since if a villager dies, the other villager is confirmed, and if it is a wolf/villager wagon the wolf dies, this ability seemed like the perfect way to test the alignments of some low posters. Babel was the biggest lowposter, while Eliza I thought had some interesting interactions with slots like Litten and Proph which meant I wanted to know Eliza’s alignment. Ergo Eliza and Babel wagons, simple really.

OOOOOH. My bad.

[Lucky]

So he’s a role that bypasses the mafia decide tie rule, I see.

[Prophylaxis]

@Atlas - You listed Seth as your strongest wolfread at this point in time, right?

Given you have experience with both him as town and wolf, can you go into more detail into that read? In my mind, there are two critical interactions to look at when it comes to analyzing him.

The first is this Babel/Seth interaction, where Seth Garcia’s (answers a question directed at someone else) Babel:

Babel interactions w/Seth pt 1

@Lucky

@Babel

If you believe in your case so much why don’t you elaborate on it? Surely if your that convinced you can easily defend that position no?

Um no? Also GTH isn’t “That Convinced”.
(Yes I’m responding to Italy so what.)

Also like I feel like Babel and Maria are the same person. But that can’t be right/

@Lucky

@Millium

I mean people throw GTH and dont even believe it half the time
when I use GTH its not really a GTH lol, I just dont talk about my reasoning a lot

I mean like it’s basically Gut.

Not sure why Babel is treating Italy’s post like it’s not.

@Lucky

@Millium

so I also want to know where that gut read comes from

It’s really the fact they decided to do what they did.
That’s mainly where I have all my gut reads personally.

It brings off Wolf Agenda Vibes rather it’s real or not.

@Lucky

Like it can be wolf agenda even if it isn’t.

@Babel

If something can be one thing and not be one thing at the same time. Are you suggesting that they are some sort of Schrodinger’s Cat? That we cannot tell their state until directly observed?

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The second interaction is where Seth accuses me of being buddies with Babel due to not choosing to run him up when Italy/Babel were low-posting. He ties me to Babel, then votes him at a time when many people were not really focusing on Babel.

Babel interactions w/Seth, pt 2

@Lucky

@Frostwolf103

Mafia: Trials and Tribulations - Day 2 (15/17) - #2036 by Litten

Mafia: Trials and Tribulations - Day 2 (15/17) - #1648 by Icibalus

Mafia: Trials and Tribulations - Day 2 (15/17) - #1659 by Leafia

@Frostwolf103

And single mislynch of this game is bad. but you are not considering to take a look on the voters the next day? Weird.

@Frostwolf103

What kind of example are you trying to point out exactly?

@Litten

I don’t understand what you are saying

@Frostwolf103

You don’t know why you’re quoting me and don’t look up?

Please Litten, you are making yourself bad.

Again.
Mill/Litten/Prop/Maria/Babel - always contain at least 1 wolf:

@Lucky

@Prophylaxis

@Litten

I have experience playing with them
Yeah they are nigh unreadable from my experience

I’d rather take my chances and flip Italy, I think, over executing Marl Day 1 then?

Well aware that if in the world where Italy is town and Marl is scum then I’ll have egg on my face, but I also trust Marl to make himself more readable and maybe even solve the game (if he’s town) as opposed to Italy, who has contributed very little insight thus far?

I find it funny your ignoring Babel now.
If Babel flips wolf your aware I’ll hard push you right?

@Lucky

@Frostwolf103

Mafia: Trials and Tribulations - Day 2 (15/17) - #2036 by Litten

Mafia: Trials and Tribulations - Day 2 (15/17) - #1648 by Icibalus

Mafia: Trials and Tribulations - Day 2 (15/17) - #1659 by Leafia

@Frostwolf103

And single mislynch of this game is bad. but you are not considering to take a look on the voters the next day? Weird.

@Frostwolf103

What kind of example are you trying to point out exactly?

@Litten

I don’t understand what you are saying

@Frostwolf103

You don’t know why you’re quoting me and don’t look up?

Please Litten, you are making yourself bad.

Again.
Mill/Litten/Prop/Maria/Babel - always contain at least 1 wolf:

@Lucky

Wait why can’t we do Babel?

/Vote Babel

@Lucky

Proph has high scum equity with Babel because they briefly mention them to compare with Italy on who to vote but then ignore Babel as if they never actually mentioned to ever want to vote them.

@Litten

@Lucky

@Marluxion

tie them
why not both

Yeah let’s do Babel/Litten Tie Wagons.

What are your thoughts on these two interactions, and what do you think it means for Seth’s alignment?

Reason why I’m asking you specifically is because you have experience with him in Railgun; would he be the type of guy to distance/hardbus his team’s strongest wolf role?

Anyone else is free to chime in, as well.

[Millium]

i forgot that Seth claimed, what did they claim?