I highly doubt that.
Fair Iāll give u that
I could easily swap out apprentice with Italy anyways
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Also I think a lot of things implicated misty being a wolf lol
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Probably.
Weāre so bad.
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yeah like me calling them wolfy and dying despite being a vt claim 
We, I was on Mistyās all day in mylo lol what u mean we
youāre both based misty is just very good
no reason to be harsh
Iām pretty sure we are just teasing each other lol
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Okay, so before I begin my reread, Iām going to hardclear the following people. These people /may/ be wolves, but the chances for them to do so would be exceedingly unlikely and would run contrary to Occamās Razor.
Wisdom
Wisdom is only a wolf in a world where Marluxion is a wolf, or his ability does not work for some reason. Due to the mafia āgodfatherā having already been flipped (Babel roleblocked all investigative actions taken on him), Iām refusing to believe that Marlās ability would return a false result. It would also be somewhat bastardly to return a false result on this ability, IMO. Wisdomās alignment is inextricably tied to Marluxionās alignment, but given that I believe that Marl is town, I donāt think this is a huge issue. If Marl ever flips town, Wisdom is confirmed town.
Millium
Wisp is claiming a burnout doctor when we have very little in the way of protective roles, and is also soft-confirmed by Babelās Potassium Cyanide ability stating āThey will be announced at the start of the day to be poisoned, and will die at the end of the day unless healedā, when Wisp is the only role capable of healing. He claims to have protected me N1, a result that is confirmed by Wisdomās watch and me not dying N1. In addition to this, heās also been behaviorally town - he has little patience for bullshit and is actively wolfreading the people heās pressuring, when I know he has a similar issue where I have as a wolf in that he has a hard time getting legitimate scumreads on people. Plus, he was the first one to follow Marl on Babel at EoD1. Dudeās just town.
Marluxion
Marl literally plucked Babel out of the rubble D1 and advocated for them to be wagonned when the wagons looked like this:
If Marl is a wolf here, then he would have been super comfortable pushing the Litten/Italy wagons most likely or hopping on any of the other 2-vote wagons here. Instead, he proposes Babel for a tie when no one was really discussing Babel other than Lucky.
People start voting Babel here and Marl was honestly a key reason why Babel got executed D1. If heās a wolf here, he shuts up and tries to topple Litten/Italy as opposed to shining a light on Babel here. Plus, the fact that Babel broke the tie D1 indicates to me that the wolves were scared of Marlās ability and wanted to play around it - by executing Eliza, and getting off the first poison.
I donāt think Marl is a busser, and even if he was, I donāt think he topples the wolf poisoner D1. I keep coming back to this, but thatās almost a throwing move as a wolf.
Frostwolf
Frostwolf is here for one simple reason: I donāt believe wolves have a two-shot poison and a one-shot daykiller. None. In that hypothetical situation, the town has no KP, and the wolves would be overflowing with KP. Doesnāt make sense in a 17 player game with 4 wolves. Now, I donāt understand much of what heās saying, but he also was the third vote on Babel after Millium and Lucky voted Babel. Just no mechanical world whereās a wolf imo.
These are my /four clears/. We have potentially two more, but I think these two are on slightly more shaky ground than the other two.
ElizaThePsycho
Reason to clear Eliza is that Babel tried to snipe the vote on her EoD1, and the way sheās approached her claim has been pretty townie (Redirector claim). I donāt see much reason for Babel to snipe Eliza given that any vote movement at that EoD1 was bound to look /extremely wolfy/, and if Eliza flipped wolf there was a decent chance Babel would go over the next Day compared toā¦ Babel just doing nothing, potentially getting randed with Eliza, and the other coming out looking fairly townie. So I think thereās a strong chance sheās town, but not guaranteed.
Atlas
Reason to clear Atlas is his EoD1 hammer on Babel, which ensured that Babel would be executed and weād preserve Marlās ability for future use. Thereās a couple things to analyze with that vote switch. First, if Atlas saw my unvote and was a wolf, he could have voted Babel just to give himself towncred - since Babel was always going to get executed there if Marlās ability is true. Secondly, if he didnāt see my unvote, then his vote switch is extremely townie, since wolf!Atlas could have done nothing in that split-second we had and then Eliza would have gone over.
In addition to this, Atlas has a fair number of interactions with Babel. All of these interactions are pretty weak, but I donāt think wolf Atlas goes out of his way to needle his wolfbuddy like this? As opposed to town Atlas who is genuinely annoyed at how the alts are speaking, which is a likelier outcome.
This conversation /feels/ pretty unaligned? Especially with how Atlas brought upā¦ his mental disorders and how Babel apologized for it (blegh this feels super dirty to read into, not going to do so for the rest of the time Iām alive)
My issue with Atlas, and the reason why heās not in the upper tier, is that heās been largely coasting on this. I canāt really recall who he thinks is a wolf, nor do I really remember any posts of his where heās really trying to solve. However, the two points I mentioned above (his Babel vote switch, plus his early-game Babel interactions) make me think heās likely town.
So, if we take these six (!) names out:
Wisdom
Millium
Marluxion
Frostwolf
ElizaThePsycho
Atlas
ā¦we get these names, of which I believe the two/thirds or the entirety of the wolfteam is in:
Alkali r. Icibalus
Lucky
Kiiruma
Litten
Apprentice
Italy
Leafia
Iāll try to spend some time narrowing this down when I reread D1 on the basis of behavioral and interaction analysis, but this is how I am approaching my evaluation of this game.
If Iām horrendously off, then ggs to the wolves - the wolves either gambitted super hard and bussed their poisoner off a cliff D1, Iām clearly not understanding something fundamental, or thereās some mechanical fuckery going on.
But I donāt think my view of the gamestate is off, if the wolves felt the need to spend nightkills on me N1/N2.
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So was I.
Game was already lost at that point, we should have taken her down far earlier.
I got lazy :(
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Absolutely ^^
You and me both!
speaking from the heart if i was w/w with him i would have just shot him and tried to cash in calling him a pocketer at this point
Big guns, big guns.
I shouldnāt laugh at this but man this response has my dying
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It is off if you think Marl is ever a villager here.
look mom my name is big
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So whatās your take on Lucky?
he is biased and honestly not something i want to touch because i canāt understand him