yeah i think that might be it- leafia always has a self-centered gamestate but as wolf they possess more theory of mind about it
this read probably begs explanation but itās really finnicky and vibe-based so iād prefer not to- the broad strokes of it is that leafiaās worldbuilding is intensely self-centered, and i do not mean this in a bad way, just an observation of how she plays. as wolf, though, she has her partners to look after as well as her, so leafiaās wolftell is that she demonstrates knowledge that the world does not revolve around her more
To explain their vote? Thereās nothing to explain lol, Iām voting you because idk who to vote and u arenāt posting
Babel was another ok choice
donāt get me wrong, the idea of leafia not making reads based around people having or not having TMI on her specificially is patently absurd, thatās like, her entire thing, but given how i know she claims to operate (epiphenomenalism moment) this seems to make the most sense
So what is ur conclusion then, cause Iām having a hard time parsing it
leafiaās a villager because they literally fucking @ed me saying that my read on silviu was wrong because they were blatantly wolfsiding by voting her
When Leafia is town, she plays around the assumption that only her alignment is certain. So she plays defensively. When she plays as wolf she knows the alignment of her and her partners, so he plays to defend herself and her partners.
I mean it does look basic enough, thatās why she gets both lynched (unfortunately also myslynched), but it looks like itās not clear enough sometimes.
this methodology came from my memories of community FM 2, where i had an extended argument with Leafia that included her allignment but did not revolve around it, rather having most of the time spent dancing around her partners, because she was wolf that game and i am vindicated
Doing stupidly short sighted things to further her thread position damages the integrity of the team, therefore she is less likely to do those things as a mafia. However if she is town then she only knows her own alignment, in which case the goal is valid.
I also donāt buy Italy being in a double state of āall of the votes on my wagon are badā and āIām doing nothing Teehee!ā
Those are usually contradictory thoughts.
hereās a read from early in SCP FM, a wolf game, to illustrate this- italy is making a bad misunderstanding of LAMIST, and while Leafia is actually correct to not push italy for misunderstanding LAMIST here, regardless of allignment, notice the increased amount of self-awareness- if Leafia was village that game, Iād guarentee you that sheād have made points about TMI by this point, in this exact string of conversation
(sorry for not quoting i just thought screenshotting would be faster)
thank you to Maria-Theresa for explaining the theory for why i think this tell makes psychological sense, by the way, I was mostly focusing on establishing The Pattern rather than properly explaining my internal logic for it, but that is it, yes
Noted Iāll keep that in mind
hereās a quote from a Leafia wolfgame, Risky Light Game (Featuring Rain), in which a lot of reads are expressed, and you can see that the characteristic self-centered reads are included, but most* reads are actually based around the gamestate as a whole
i donāt remember the wolfteam from that game because, i will be honest, i barely skimmed it once when it was happening just to keep track of what my friends were doing, but i guarentee you that most of the non-self-centered reads involve her partners in some way
itās not a matter of absence, itās a matter of frequency. to shut this sesssion of theorising down, Leafia is villager, I am not voting her, but also her perspective is tainted and it would be wise to not particularly give much credit to anything she says, since everything is based around her allignment in particular
not that thatās a bad thing! it is good to go forward assuming youāre a villager, because your allignment is one of the few things you know 100%, but when it prevents you from seeing things from anyone elseās perspective that can become a huge problem. this is what i mean when i say that leafia is playing badly irrespective of if her conclusions are, strictly speaking, accurate, becasue process absolutely matters a ton in mafia
thatās why i pontificate about theory so much, because part of my playstyle is that my reads arenāt actually very good, to be completely candid, but i try to provide as much process as possible in order that other people with better reads can win the game
anyway italy is honestly not that polaried if i remember rightly so iām going to have to read them on this game in particular, and thatād be easier if they had more content, so please post more content thanks @Italy
what the fuck does polaried mean
Ici is definitely lock Ici because this discussion is beyond my intellectual capability of understanding
polarised, sorry, i make typoes a lot, the legitimate reason is that i can type faster than i can properly think so i make spelling errors frequently