Mafia: Trials and Tribulations [Thread 2] - Day 7 (4/17) - Mafia Win!

[Lucky]

Actually this is a good point.

So before I go into my point I’d like to also mention that I already felt weird on how you be treating both Litten and Kiiruma like it’s a pocket type but again wolf paranoia and yada yada yada.

Anyway to the point.
Maria would have very likely have chosen Kiiruma as their target as I believe they were their main sus.
However.
You voted Wisdom over them.
Along with Italy.

[Lucky]

Like for someone who believed Kiiruma was town why would you wanna let the lover potentially suicide on @Kiiruma

[Lucky]

Did you town read Maria or?

[Alkali]

@Apprentice

remind me why you have those pairs in particular?

votes and behavior from today, when its super suboptimal to bus

wisdom parked on italy
lucky is on italy

they’re both wanting his elim and not doing anything to stop it

you voted italy but have been Wanting To Die more than pushing him

i suppose wisdom/you might make sense but leafia pushed for an app/wisdom tie at one point which i think makes it less likely

lucky/you could also make sense but lucky was pushing you for a while and also has wanted you dead a lot today (and came into the day saying he targeted you, etc) so also much less likely

i know proph said the answers are in the history of the game (and hes right) and maybe i should focus more on that instead of votes from today but i do think that points towards the possible pairings atp

[Lucky]

@Icibalus

but like, my last experience playing with Leafia was Clown Fiesta 2, and I’m pretty sure my inclination towards reading them w comes from the fact that in that game i reversed my read on them because i realised they were actually lost wolf later on, which really does not apply here given that i’m v this game, so any relational advantage i could get from that is nixed

@Icibalus

still, i do get those vibes, somewhat, even if I can’t actually identify the difference between that and Normal Leafia. this is not enough to drop a vote and quite frankly i hope i don’t have to touch Leafia for a while, i’d hate for my first d1 back on this site to be a massive headache

@Icibalus

to return to the topic, i think you’re misunderstanding Leafia tonally- a lot of what you’re qualifying as non-serious, Leafia would personally qualify as deadly serious

@Icibalus

gun to head, leafia’s village, but I don’t like GTHs this early, and this is far from certain
i think there’s a blind spot in your meta analysis, becausew when i read this specific post i did authentically think most of the posts cited were serious:

@Prophylaxis

@Leafia

It isn’t right. I’m serious from the beginning regardless of alignment. Anyone who has played a lot of games with me knows that.

Before I go to sleep - I don’t think this is true?

Unless you think this is serious, from Questions Mafia:

Leafia

@Leafia

Pretty sure you ask the questions in your classcard like I did.

@Leafia

Ah okay and fair enough.

@Leafia

Let’s see what happens when I do this: /vote Eevee @Host_Account_1

Calling all Eevees! @eevee

@Leafia

If I was Zone, I’d consider conditional like that to be more than 4 questions.

@Leafia

Ah and okay. Good luck with that.

@Leafia

Same here. It would be a bit of a pain.

@Leafia

That’s a problem. I thought we had one WindwardAway left.

@Leafia

With your first post.

@Leafia

Probably. Also, willing to give Jake the very slightest of townleans so far due to how relaxed he feels.

@Leafia

Hardclaiming ???.

@Leafia

Ignore the fact that in the 2,000 games ??? has been a role, it has been a scum role in all 2,000 of the games. No idea why Zone made it a town role this game.

@Leafia

You do know your alignment though which is nice.

@Leafia

I think so too.

@Leafia

Heading out for now for RL, but I’ll be back later.

@Leafia

The summon technique worked. /unvote

@Leafia

**/unvote @Host_Account_1

@Leafia

Mafia? That some sort of salad dressing?

@Leafia

/unvote @Host_Account_1

@Leafia

It wouldn’t surprise me honestly. Laughs

@Leafia

According to Hippo, you’re lockscum Hippo.

/vote Hippo @Host_Account_1

In all seriousness though, heading out. Good night everyone.

@Leafia

Before I forget… /unvote @Host_Account_1

leafia in most of these posts is expressing serious things in a jovial manner, which I think you’re reading as non-serious in a way that I disagree with

@Icibalus

I don’t know, I don’t particularly vibe with Silviu as a vote, for reasons expressed earlier? no, leafia, id o not view the lesns through the myopic lens of you being v, you are probably v but you’re exceptionally easy to misread so

@Icibalus

yeah i think that might be it- leafia always has a self-centered gamestate but as wolf they possess more theory of mind about it

@Icibalus

it’s not a matter of absence, it’s a matter of frequency. to shut this sesssion of theorising down, Leafia is villager, I am not voting her, but also her perspective is tainted and it would be wise to not particularly give much credit to anything she says, since everything is based around her allignment in particular

not that that’s a bad thing! it is good to go forward assuming you’re a villager, because your allignment is one of the few things you know 100%, but when it prevents you from seeing things from anyone else’s perspective that can become a huge problem. this is what i mean when i say that leafia is playing badly irrespective of if her conclusions are, strictly speaking, accurate, becasue process absolutely matters a ton in mafia

@Icibalus

marl have you not read a single thing i’ve been saying- i am not making that argument, there is a particular kind of wolfy thing Leafia does as villager that she doesn’t do as wolf

@Icibalus

yes but your argument is bad, it doesn’t actually prove leafia to be v, there are way better reasons to call leafia v, like the fact she’s blatantly out of her wolf meta

@Icibalus

yeah i know and the probability comes from the fact that leafia is not in her wolf meta in the slightest
marl, if i’m wrong postgame you can like, clown on me or something? i’m not going to make any bets because that’s stupid. but leafia is never wolfing

@Icibalus

anyway can’t wait to be accused of whiteknighting leafia when like, saving villagers from being pushed is the most reliable way to villageside if you’re right about it, which i reckon I am

i’ll try and focus on other things now

@Icibalus

please consider that you might be absurdly tunelled on leafia and reeval, preferably before you go and make a kill we absolutely do not need to make

@Icibalus

sigh okay so can i confess something

i’m not actually 100% sure leafia is village, only like, 70%, and the reason i’ve been pushing it so hard is really fucking stupid

@Icibalus

Oh, I mean, i think Leafia’s villaging, but so long as Marl’s role is still available it’s probably optimal to place them into a tie, just based on how thread moves around them.

The main reason being that if the counterwagon dies and flips w that basically forces Mafia to use their kill on Leafia, a very suboptimal target, and even if they flip v that’s the case. Wolves are already on a backswing in terms of kill equity, that’d probably seal it.

Here’s a couple of posts from Chloe’s slot day 1.

[Lucky]

Here’s 4 things said that hit me the wrong way.

@Icibalus

but you’re exceptionally easy to misread so

@Icibalus

there is a particular kind of wolfy thing Leafia does as villager that she doesn’t do as wolf

@Icibalus

i’m not actually 100% sure leafia is village, only like, 70%, and the reason i’ve been pushing it so hard is really fucking stupid

@Icibalus

Marl’s role is still available it’s probably optimal to place them into a tie

The last one hits me the most because no one, (not even Leafia) was talking about Tieing Leafia yet. They were the first to bring it up I believe so it can also explain why Leafia wanted to tie due to this also being mentioned in wolf chat.

[Lucky]

@Alkali

they’re both wanting his elim and not doing anything to stop it

Their role setup wise is wolf.

[Lucky]

And Bruh I was like hard shielding Italy before the Leafia flip.

[Lucky]

@Alkali

lucky/you could also make sense but lucky was pushing you for a while and also has wanted you dead a lot today (and came into the day saying he targeted you, etc) so also much less likely

More fucking likely then Italy.

[Alkali]

i kinda wanna yeet wisdom because i think literally everyone else in the PoE has some social stuff going for them except for her
and she just has mech - which i personally think is faulty

lucky has leafia spew that looks pocketey and like TMI
app feels like a depressed villager and has babel spew, leafia spew, and also townie posts
italy has some townie posts and tone and also imo can only be paired with app but even then idt its suuper likely? since i think app is more likely than not town rn
wisdom has nothing behaviorally good looking and nobody has been able to give me anything but gut

i feel like im in a completely different world from everyone else since nobody sees what im seeing re:leafia spew wrt the tie mechanic when i think its really obvious so that makes me think i could be super confbiased and tunneling but like idk

i keep going through the poe in my head and thinking about whats villagery about them and whats wolfy about them and i always end up on wisdom as the most likely wolf but i doubt she ever goes over today so im niarbing

[Lucky]

@Kiiruma
@Wisdom
@Millium
@Litten

BTW I want you 4 to read what I have said regarding Chloe’s slot please!

Anyway, GN.

[Alkali]

litten whats lucky’s alignment im just gunna sheep you and kiiruma cuz this iso is slowly killing me and im torn

[Alkali]

/vote Wisdom @Host_Account_3

will change by EoD if this doesn’t pick up steam but its what im most confident in atm

i probably wont be super active from this point til EoD cuz i’ll be busy but will pop in as much as i can

[Alkali]

God leafia’s iso when it comes to italy is just so so bad

Im trying to figure out if a wisdom/italy world can exist and today’s vote doesn’t mean anything but idk

If i have time tomorrow i’ll check it out more

Gn

[Host_Account_3]

Day 4 Vote Count

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
Italy	Wisdom, Frostwolf103, Lucky, Kiiruma	4/6
Lucky	Litten	1/6
Apprentice	Apprentice	1/6
Wisdom	Alkali	1/6
Not Voting	Marluxion, Italy, Millium, ElizaThePsycho	4

[Frostwolf103]

With the whole loveriser that can make the other person go ‘heartbroken’ if that person die?

[Frostwolf103]

Why are you dancing around apprentice / Italy you dont want to hammered this whole day?

[Frostwolf103]

@Alkali

Im trying to figure out if a wisdom/italy world can exist

They would bussing each other even now?

[Frostwolf103]

~ Illusions never change, into something real ~

[Frostwolf103]

Litten is trolling at this point.

I can just ignore him and do what we must.