Mafia: Trials and Tribulations [Thread 2] - Day 7 (4/17) - Mafia Win!

[Alkali]

@Litten

app almost certainly flips mafia cuz they didn’t put us on the list despite dunking on wolves and us explaining why they should, how they kept talking about kill me instead of leafia to look townie and how they kept complaining about people wanting to kill leafia despite the fact that he himself didn’t actually evaluate leafia

I thought about this and yeah tbh i think you’re right

[Alkali]

I still have doubts but not enough to pull him out of the PoE and those are p valid points

Still yet to re-read his iso n stuff but been mulling it over a bit n yea

[Alkali]

@Alkali

What makes Wisdom town if you ignore the tie mechanic? I haven’t seen anyone actually explain how she’s been villagery behaviorally

The only answer I’ve gotten is “gut,” from millium

Can i get more thoughts pls

[Millium]

ill be taking a look at everything tmr

[Alkali]

Some Lucky Stuff - From Leafia's ISO

@Leafia

That statement explained perfectly how I felt about Maria’s questioning of Apprentice Lucky.

@Leafia

Good night and sleep well. Seth unvoting there is a very good look for him too if you know anything about his wolf meta like I do.

@Leafia

It’s also not as scary since it’s Seth that read my mind. He knows how I think after all.

@Leafia

I lowkey disagree with you there. This is pretty classic town Seth play. It’s when Seth starts being logical that you have to watch out. I’m not 100% certain of my read on Seth, but I’m at least decently sure.

@Leafia

This is classic village Seth although he doesn’t normally make this much sense.

@Maria-Theresa

When I flip village would you still think this?

@Leafia

Even if you flip village it won’t change how I think about Seth,although I’ll be disappointed that the two of us were tunneling a villager if you flip village.

@Leafia

That’s just how Lucky is as a villager,although if you were town with Kiiruma a wolf, I’d at least check to see if I need to reeval on Lucky.

@Leafia

It’s hard to explain but he’s more dynamic as a villager like he is here. Also, his ego comes out best like it is here when he’s a villager. I also have a ton of experience with Seth too, so I know how he is as each alignment i like to think I’m pretty good at reading him. At least some of it is a gutread though.

@Maria-Theresa

He isn’t dynamic at all.

He’s very obviously ignored Marluxion’s claim because it provides a perfect explanation for my play at end of day. That isn’t the mark of someone with dynamic reads, that’s the mark of someone forcing a circular wolfread through a square hole. Which is typical for Seth as both alignments.

@Leafia

I still think he’s a villager though and if you had as much experience with him as I do, you’d know why. He has a sort of energy as a villager that he lacks as a wolf and he clearly has that energy here.

@Leafia

I’m nearly 100% sure that Lucky is a villager though as he’s squarely in his v meta and him being confirmed villager won’t stop Marl from pushing me. The only thing that will stop Marl from pushing me and make him realize that I’m a villager is if I’m one of the two tied wagons at EoD. If he continues with this tunnel on me, we’ll flat out lose, so it’s best for the gamestate if I’m one of the two wagons that are tied at EoD.

These all read to me like pocketing, and these following ones especially feel like TMI. Especially considering multiple people recently expressed disagreement with her townread on Seth. Usually she’d drop/decrease her townread on another wolf if people call her read out as bad. This feels like she knows hes town

@Leafia

It’s hard to explain but he’s more dynamic as a villager like he is here. Also, his ego comes out best like it is here when he’s a villager. I also have a ton of experience with Seth too, so I know how he is as each alignment i like to think I’m pretty good at reading him. At least some of it is a gutread though.

@Maria-Theresa

He isn’t dynamic at all.

He’s very obviously ignored Marluxion’s claim because it provides a perfect explanation for my play at end of day. That isn’t the mark of someone with dynamic reads, that’s the mark of someone forcing a circular wolfread through a square hole. Which is typical for Seth as both alignments.

@Leafia

I still think he’s a villager though and if you had as much experience with him as I do, you’d know why. He has a sort of energy as a villager that he lacks as a wolf and he clearly has that energy here.

Leafia isn’t that great at townreading her partners with confidence - ime she tends to suspect them (or not interact with/read them at all). And this feels different from her normal scum MO? It feels like buddying up to a villager who has her side.

Later in the day she agrees to a rand with herself and Seth and even votes him to make it possible
I’ve already talked about my take on the tie mechanic and how Leafia was TMI’ing that she would survive it so I think this points to v!Lucky as she wouldn’t want to tie with a partner

@Leafia

To be honest, I’m not 100% against Leafia/Lucky wagons since it’ll confirm Lucky if I’m the one that flips and confirm me if he flips. I’d prefer Kiiruma/me wagons though.

@Leafia

@Kiiruma

Or, or we could instead of confirming a villager by executing another one, maybe instead we can try to trigger Marl’s passive and get a wolf out while confirming another villager.

Then why are you so against wagons on me and Seth?

@Leafia

Finally at home with my connection back. Now I can do the readslist in my next post and if everyone really wants a Leafia/Seth tie, I guess I can oblige. /vote Lucky @The_Judge

Now someone unvote Kiiruma.

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While Lucky is still in my PoE for uh
Yesterday’s happenings
And because I townread a lot of other people a lot more
I don’t think he’s likely to flip wolf just from this, so he’s in the upper Not A Priority tier

[Alkali]

Her vote brought the VC to this, for context

@Host_Account_3

Day 2 Vote Count

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
Lucky	Lucky, Kiiruma, Alkali, Leafia	4/8
Kiiruma	Maria-Theresa, Prophylaxis	2/8
Leafia	ElizaThePsycho, Millium	2/8
ElizaThePsycho	Wisdom	1/8
Litten	Marluxion	1/8
Not Voting	Litten, Apprentice, Italy, Atlas, Frostwolf103	5

[Alkali]

@Leafia

Yeah. That might be why I’m so certain he’s scum. I have a predisposition to scumread him when he’s like this to me so just in case I’m wrong about him…/unvote @The_Judge

Not voting Italy though since I feel that’s just a mislynch waiting to happen.

@Leafia

Italy: Scumlean: He’s been utterly forgettable and it feels like he might be trying to go utr.

@Leafia

GTH I’d say that Seth, Apprentice, maybe Wisdom, although I’m not certain any more, maybe even Marl, but I’m having serious misgivings about his slot with how much he’s been pushing me with BS logic, and maybe Italy are all villagers.

Litten literally leaped at me claws bared when I did the rt and isn’t even trying to listen to reason when I try to explain the RT. He isn’t like that as a villager. He’s also pushing super hard that I faked the RT and hasn’t even tried to ask why I’d do what I did as a wolf which is what I expect any villager worth their salt to do. It feels super faked and I know wolves would love to mislynch me right now to kill two birds with one stone. Even if a villager thinks I’m lockwolf, why not wait until lylo to execute me so that you have Proph around as much as long as possible and get an automatic wolf execution in LyLo? That’s how a true villager should be thinking.

@Leafia

I never give up, but if I was a wolf, I probably would just try pushing on Italy right here honestly.

This is the first time I’ve given up honestly.

lmao

these are the only mentions of italy in leafia’s entire iso (other than telling litten that sheeping italy’s truth/deception lists will lead to a loss)

this has to be a wolf, right
the inconsistency of her read is godawful and she refuses to vote him

Not voting Italy though since I feel that’s just a mislynch waiting to happen.

to

Italy: Scumlean: He’s been utterly forgettable and it feels like he might be trying to go utr.

in 3k posts
with no talk about or to his slot inbetween

[Litten]

Ty for doing the work for me

[Alkali]

wisdom/app/italy wins it gg

[Litten]

man
this is the second time I promised someone I would do something and then proceeded to be like fuck no

[Alkali]

personally would go

wisdom → italy → app

i think app has the most going for him

but i dont have the energy to fight litten on app going first and am now tired of isodiving

[Litten]

why should I do anything when I think the poe just wins

[Litten]

go for Italy

[Litten]

compromise

[Alkali]

/vote Italy @Host_Account_3

sure

[Litten]

/vote italy @Host_Account_3

This vote always executes a wolf

[Alkali]

frost said Italy’s flavor would make sense as a roleblocker
idk anything about Ace Attorney other than what i googled quickly - saw that Ron DeLite was a thief guy

polidab ?

[Litten]

if it’s the roleblocker then just execute wisdom since we need to find mafia invest

[Italy]

strike me down and i will return deader than you could ever imagine

[Alkali]

Eliza do you still have the 1-shot redirect-the-kill thing?