Mafia: Trials and Tribulations [Thread 2] - Day 7 (4/17) - Mafia Win!

[Frostwolf103]

@Frostwolf103

I fail to see how that world is even remotely possible, you want your double vote by executing apprentice.

@Lucky Why would I as wolf ask you that?

Because Apprentice and me didn’t vote Leafia not once in thread 1?

And if apprentice did do flip as town like you expect it, that would fall on me being wolf, right?

But again, why would I do that if I knew that is going to fall on me?

@Lucky

I don’t have to vote Apprentice.
If they go over I still get the double vote.

You still did as I ask by predicting that apprentice can be executed right.

[Marluxion]

/vote Apprentice @Host_Account_3

[Lucky]

@Millium

still doesnt change my read

still doesn’t change that it’s not TMIing them town at all and you can argue it’s the opposite.

[Millium]

sure I can argue anything is possible if I dont come to my own conclusions lol

[Lucky]

@Frostwolf103
@Alkali

I know one of you is probably wolf so remember.
If you kill me tonignt, you won’t have to deal with me tomorrow or future days to come!

You’ll win easier!

[Frostwolf103]

Lucky, answer my question.

[Marluxion]

mkay now that team mafia is over i’m here for the long haul

app should die today and if he’s scum i’m probably gonna have to go after chloeb
if he’s town i’ll probably just sheep chloe until one of us is dead

[Lucky]

@Frostwolf103

But again, why would I do that if I knew that is going to fall on me?

It’s not gonna fall on you though.
It’ll fall on me or Italy lol.

[Lucky]

@Frostwolf103

You still did as I ask by predicting that apprentice can be executed right.

I don’t have to vote as long as they go over I receive my double vote so I’m chilling and relaxing at beachside

[Litten]

Yeh same

[Lucky]

This is hopeless

[Millium]

I read over Proph’s thought on Icibalus, and to be completely honest, the whole tone in regards to them talking about Leafia just feels completely fabricated, which reminds me a little of how deep wolves play, like Radiant Cowbells, Moth, etc…

like, it feels like a fake revelation

[Lucky]

Mafia kill me I swear just get me out of this game

[Lucky]

@Frostwolf103

You Mafia 1-Shot Day Vig or 2?

You should shoot me if you have a bullet left.

[Frostwolf103]

And town doesnt want me to get extra dayvig because it will compromise town’s objective.

[Litten]

Marl I locked you as town very quickly in that game
The first day was wasted on eevee, eevee was very excited to get into the game but then…scum/scum wagons lmao

[Lucky]

@Millium

I read over Proph’s thought on Icibalus, and to be completely honest, the whole tone in regards to them talking about Leafia just feels completely fabricated, which reminds me a little of how deep wolves play, like Radiant Cowbells, Moth, etc…

Bro I LITERALLY MADE A CASE ON CHLOE ABOUT THIS!

[Frostwolf103]

I am 1-shot day vig, as I already claimed.

[Lucky]

@Lucky

@Icibalus

but like, my last experience playing with Leafia was Clown Fiesta 2, and I’m pretty sure my inclination towards reading them w comes from the fact that in that game i reversed my read on them because i realised they were actually lost wolf later on, which really does not apply here given that i’m v this game, so any relational advantage i could get from that is nixed

@Icibalus

still, i do get those vibes, somewhat, even if I can’t actually identify the difference between that and Normal Leafia. this is not enough to drop a vote and quite frankly i hope i don’t have to touch Leafia for a while, i’d hate for my first d1 back on this site to be a massive headache

@Icibalus

to return to the topic, i think you’re misunderstanding Leafia tonally- a lot of what you’re qualifying as non-serious, Leafia would personally qualify as deadly serious

@Icibalus

gun to head, leafia’s village, but I don’t like GTHs this early, and this is far from certain
i think there’s a blind spot in your meta analysis, becausew when i read this specific post i did authentically think most of the posts cited were serious:

@Prophylaxis

@Leafia

It isn’t right. I’m serious from the beginning regardless of alignment. Anyone who has played a lot of games with me knows that.

Before I go to sleep - I don’t think this is true?

Unless you think this is serious, from Questions Mafia:

Leafia

@Leafia

Pretty sure you ask the questions in your classcard like I did.

@Leafia

Ah okay and fair enough.

@Leafia

Let’s see what happens when I do this: /vote Eevee @Host_Account_1

Calling all Eevees! @eevee

@Leafia

If I was Zone, I’d consider conditional like that to be more than 4 questions.

@Leafia

Ah and okay. Good luck with that.

@Leafia

Same here. It would be a bit of a pain.

@Leafia

That’s a problem. I thought we had one WindwardAway left.

@Leafia

With your first post.

@Leafia

Probably. Also, willing to give Jake the very slightest of townleans so far due to how relaxed he feels.

@Leafia

Hardclaiming ???.

@Leafia

Ignore the fact that in the 2,000 games ??? has been a role, it has been a scum role in all 2,000 of the games. No idea why Zone made it a town role this game.

@Leafia

You do know your alignment though which is nice.

@Leafia

I think so too.

@Leafia

Heading out for now for RL, but I’ll be back later.

@Leafia

The summon technique worked. /unvote

@Leafia

**/unvote @Host_Account_1

@Leafia

Mafia? That some sort of salad dressing?

@Leafia

/unvote @Host_Account_1

@Leafia

It wouldn’t surprise me honestly. Laughs

@Leafia

According to Hippo, you’re lockscum Hippo.

/vote Hippo @Host_Account_1

In all seriousness though, heading out. Good night everyone.

@Leafia

Before I forget… /unvote @Host_Account_1

leafia in most of these posts is expressing serious things in a jovial manner, which I think you’re reading as non-serious in a way that I disagree with

@Icibalus

I don’t know, I don’t particularly vibe with Silviu as a vote, for reasons expressed earlier? no, leafia, id o not view the lesns through the myopic lens of you being v, you are probably v but you’re exceptionally easy to misread so

@Icibalus

yeah i think that might be it- leafia always has a self-centered gamestate but as wolf they possess more theory of mind about it

@Icibalus

it’s not a matter of absence, it’s a matter of frequency. to shut this sesssion of theorising down, Leafia is villager, I am not voting her, but also her perspective is tainted and it would be wise to not particularly give much credit to anything she says, since everything is based around her allignment in particular

not that that’s a bad thing! it is good to go forward assuming you’re a villager, because your allignment is one of the few things you know 100%, but when it prevents you from seeing things from anyone else’s perspective that can become a huge problem. this is what i mean when i say that leafia is playing badly irrespective of if her conclusions are, strictly speaking, accurate, becasue process absolutely matters a ton in mafia

@Icibalus

marl have you not read a single thing i’ve been saying- i am not making that argument, there is a particular kind of wolfy thing Leafia does as villager that she doesn’t do as wolf

@Icibalus

yes but your argument is bad, it doesn’t actually prove leafia to be v, there are way better reasons to call leafia v, like the fact she’s blatantly out of her wolf meta

@Icibalus

yeah i know and the probability comes from the fact that leafia is not in her wolf meta in the slightest
marl, if i’m wrong postgame you can like, clown on me or something? i’m not going to make any bets because that’s stupid. but leafia is never wolfing

@Icibalus

anyway can’t wait to be accused of whiteknighting leafia when like, saving villagers from being pushed is the most reliable way to villageside if you’re right about it, which i reckon I am

i’ll try and focus on other things now

@Icibalus

please consider that you might be absurdly tunelled on leafia and reeval, preferably before you go and make a kill we absolutely do not need to make

@Icibalus

sigh okay so can i confess something

i’m not actually 100% sure leafia is village, only like, 70%, and the reason i’ve been pushing it so hard is really fucking stupid

@Icibalus

Oh, I mean, i think Leafia’s villaging, but so long as Marl’s role is still available it’s probably optimal to place them into a tie, just based on how thread moves around them.

The main reason being that if the counterwagon dies and flips w that basically forces Mafia to use their kill on Leafia, a very suboptimal target, and even if they flip v that’s the case. Wolves are already on a backswing in terms of kill equity, that’d probably seal it.

Here’s a couple of posts from Chloe’s slot day 1.

@Lucky

Here’s 4 things said that hit me the wrong way.

@Icibalus

but you’re exceptionally easy to misread so

@Icibalus

there is a particular kind of wolfy thing Leafia does as villager that she doesn’t do as wolf

@Icibalus

i’m not actually 100% sure leafia is village, only like, 70%, and the reason i’ve been pushing it so hard is really fucking stupid

@Icibalus

Marl’s role is still available it’s probably optimal to place them into a tie

The last one hits me the most because no one, (not even Leafia) was talking about Tieing Leafia yet. They were the first to bring it up I believe so it can also explain why Leafia wanted to tie due to this also being mentioned in wolf chat.

@Millium

[Millium]

ur doing it again, like im happy to kill Apprentice here, but like there is no reason to assume Frost is a wolf here, nothing points to it, and you can scream to the moon that a wolf could have easily shot silviu, but with how Leafia talked about it, and the shot being blatantly town siding, I just dont see it

you already spend all of day 3 hard defending leafia, like stop drowning out the game with superficial and bias reads

you can be wrong on somethings and right on others