MHA FM Game Thread - GAME OVER - VILLAIN TEAM WINS

[Arctic]

@catbae can i get some town/wolfgames please

[catbae]

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The recent scumgames weren’t great performances, although probably representative of where I am with my play right now. I’d probably be more comfortable in this environment (no meta and no pressure), but that’s just a guess on my part

[Host_Account_2]

Official D2 VC

Voted	Voter	Votes
lol	nightingale, Arctic	2/7
gorta	Prophylaxis	1/7
Kiiruma	Wazza	1/7
Mistyx	lol	1/7
Squirrel	cape	1/7
cape	catbae	1/7
Wazza	Mistyx	1/7
Not Voting	Gorta, Squirrel, Kiiruma, Brad	4

Pinging hosts for new votes and mistakes is appreciated ^^

Im busy for the rest of the night so hopefully Aelin will take over the VC

[catbae]

@Host_Account_2 Arctic’s vote is missing?

[Host_Account_2]

Trying to fix the VC, sorry lol

[Arctic]

hosts literally hate me smh

anyway ty i will check those after food

[BradLand]

This wagon composition always yeets a mafia member?

[nightingale]

@mafia
if youre not voting you should vote someone who hasn’t been voted yet
its not like you care who goes over anyways
itll be funny i promise

[Arctic]

@nightingale

its not like you care who goes over anyways

if lol is mafia, why would wolves not care who goes over?

[nightingale]

gaming
they care somewhat but they don’t have pet wolfreads and/or gamesolves to push

[BradLand]

/vote: Prophy @Host_Account_2

[BradLand]

Bit of a shame is that I think both hosts are gonna be AFK so this won’t get the satisfaction that we want yet.

[nightingale]

/vote BradLand @Host_Account_2
im helping

(fully intend to switch back to lol before EoD but nya)

[Arctic]

zori, how would you be playing this game differently if you were a wolf?

[Squirrel2412]

@Gorta @Cape90

@Gorta

Now Squirrel does look a lot more focused than in the game linked, but I can’t quite determine if it makes Squirrel town from it or not. Like squirrel feels a lot less comfortable here in a way. I’m fine leaving Squirrel alive today if @Squirrel2412 can provide me with some town games from that site because maybe you are more comfortable there? and for Proph this isn’t a proper read because I would like more info

Gladiator Smalltown Mafia - OVER

^most recent towngame, but I was low efforting so probably not as helpful

M18 "Duels" Game Thread

^2nd most recent towngame

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@Cape90

@Squirrel2412

part of me thinks arctic changing his reads so much is towny since it shows he’s thinking critically about the game

part of me thinks arctic changing his reads so much is wolfy because he’s throwing a bunch of pushes out and seeing which one sticks

Like this is the type of “stream of consciousness” post that is not very helpful and that I have seen mafia do a lot more often then town.

interesting
do you think the content in the post itself feels fake, or do you just have issue with it being a stream of consciousness post?

@Squirrel2412

@BradLand

Whatever, I’m done trying to push this, then.

I’ll join the Cape wagon since he’s in my POE if we’re late in the day and the Squirrel wagon doesn’t happen.

this seems is really incongruous with brad’s earlier expressed confidence in his read

hard to articulate but unless brad artificially projects more confidence in his reads as town I think that’s wolfy

like
I’d expect a bit more pushback from brad to try to convince people to vote me

@Cape90

The fact that they said this and seem not to think of the implications of Brad’s confidence is kind of shocking to me. Like it feels like a very incomplete thought

what do you mean by the implications of brad’s confidence?

I’m just pointing out that brad listing me as his most confident scumread and then giving up on pushing me after nobody follows him is wolfy

unless town brad expresses more confidence in his reads than he actually has

@Cape90

Also… uh okay on literally all this catch up.

Squirrel clearly wants to fill up space here

XD
if I wanted to fill space I’d post more often with less stuff

people sort by post count, they don’t sort by post length
(and if we SBPC I’m the first to get yeeted)

[nightingale]

individual stances are hard to tell without knowing my wolfteam
I think that overall i’d probably lack a thread of continuity between my reads
as a wolf I don’t have the presence of mind to remember the mindset ive been faking over extended periods of time, so the best way to catch me would probably be macro
so my progressions can as wolf have some sudden swings that don’t really line up with thoughts ive expressed previously
i’d also be pushing agenda when it matters and distancing when it doesn’t but it’s hard to make that kind of read with zero flips

i also dont really usually play wolf to pocket anyone so I think i’d be in thread overall a bit more free-floaty instead of clinging to you
i’d probably treat you somewhat like i’ve treated squirrel this game

[Squirrel2412]

@Gorta

@Prophylaxis

and why is having many scumreads indicative of a wolf mindset

It depends on the player, but it’s a thing I see from people who powerwolf. These people primarily make scum reads and swap wagons when one doesn’t work. If you have been paying attention to my posts I asked Squirrel for an example of a scum game to look at so I can solve that, but from my initial skim it looked like Squirrel was powerwolfing

for the record, I’m bad at pushing at people as either alignment

@BradLand

I felt like his catch-up wall was a lot of negatives towards slots in terms of “This is wolfy” and a few discrediting townreads. I asked him about his townreads and they were mostly consensus towns.

That was mostly my reasoning. I’m not sure what to think of him or my read on him now, since plenty of others, including you, disagree I’m losing confidence in it.

I know I said earlier that brad pushing my slot and then giving up on it when nobody was following were bad
but these interactions with prophy reevaluating his slot feel genuine

I’m biased anyways but I think people who are not me should look at this when evaluating brad

@Prophylaxis

@Squirrel2412

part of me thinks arctic changing his reads so much is towny since it shows he’s thinking critically about the game

part of me thinks arctic changing his reads so much is wolfy because he’s throwing a bunch of pushes out and seeing which one sticks

i’m not the best arctic reader so take this with a grain of salt, but i think one of the few actual windows into arctic’s mind is how he just expressed frustration with kiiruma and drunkenly dipped:

@Arctic

oh dear god are we really doing this

@Arctic

kiiruma i was playing differently

now i’ve regressed to my normal play

if you of all people can’t see i’m town then i know i’ll never be able to confidently clear you when you are making up reads to my face

@Arctic

fuck this i’m getting wasted bye forever

i’m just trying to think about how arctic dunked a LHF player named willtaylor in the game I wolfed with him (town vs bandits)

iirc in day 2 he was tunneling that slot rather aggressively and even got into a yelling match with leafia about who would claim the “wolf” pelt (even though it was a town slot)

i feel like his shifting focus today between brad/lol/mistyx/kiiruma and his exasperation/frustration is… i think genuine? like i said at the beginning of the game, i think if arctic rands wolf this game he just spends his sweet time tunneling weak players and not showing the flashes of frustration he’s had at various points throughout this game. i don’t think wolf arctic bothers to take potshots at mistyx for example and needlessly antagonize her if he’s a wolf for example

does this answer your question?

it does, thanks

I’ll put away my tinfoil on arctic for the time being

proph/gorta interactions

@Gorta

@Prophylaxis

early in d1 he thought that kiiruma/isolde was exactly town/town or wolf/wolf and that dichotomy felt really inauthentic to me.

I’ve explained this too many times. I said early in the day BEFORE I STARTED TO ISO PLAYERS that it looked t/t. I then ISOed Kii and Seth (Kii first) and found Kii scummy, but was questioning why w!Kii uses gladiate d1 on Seth of all people. It was then that I came up with the hypothesis that Seth was Jester or something negative to town if executed. In that frame work either Seth/Kii had to town/town or w/w. Do you get that? I have been explaining my thought processes and you have been ignoring it. Was that intentional? Are you purposely ignoring the things I say trying to explain my thought process?

@Prophylaxis

i’ve been trying to get you to explain your thought process to me for the past couple of days now

can you point out where you thought the bolded is in your ISO? looking through these were your first couple of posts before you thought kiiruma was a wolf:

@Gorta

@Gorta

but I’m trying to decide why scum uses a gladiator d1

what do you think this means?

@Gorta

I was acknowledging that I wasn’t super sure on Kii being a wolf because of the gladiator, so early d1 I did say that it could be t/t. Read between the lines

@Prophylaxis

im bad at reading between the lines when its 12:30am

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@Gorta

I want to say Proph is scum based on how he is asking tons of questions and putting fewer bits of his own original content out. That read list feels incredibly agenda-ish. Like (I know this is self centered and focused on my slot) his treatment of my slot is bordering on intentional misunderstanding. I have explained my d1 reasoning on several things earlier d1, but Proph seems to misunderstand/ignore it. I was willing to say Proph could be misunderstanding, but I don’t think that’s the case anymore. I’m a really easy mis-execution as well due to the last game I played on this site and Proph would know that. The before mentioned asking questions without generating much original content feels like he is trying to look busy, but is in fact not doing much. I’ve seen this playstyle among wolves that look busy by observing the game and asking questions

@Prophylaxis

this game i am trying to hold your feet to the fire because you were able to skate by fairly easily in railgun and i did not want a repeat this game, hence why i’ve been aggressively questioning you to try and figure out where you stand on things like your lol read

i think it’s disingenuous to say that i haven’t been generating much original content when most of this game has been slanking and not putting in effort. i spent most of yesterday reading through cape and squirrel and today i really focused on listing out my reads

that being said - i do think that these last few posts of yours provide the best look into your mindset out of all of the posts you have, so i’ll sleep on it

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thoughts:

I think gorta’s defense is probably towny, or at least lacking agenda - the OMGUS on proph isn’t really that helpful for a wolf since proph doesn’t really have a lot of thread influence to get a solid push going on gorta imo, whereas I can see town gorta reacting to proph this way

that said, I don’t necessarily agree with it - I don’t see proph trying to look busy; his readslist and other posts have generally felt like a genuine effort to solve (instead of scum trying to skate by)

@Prophylaxis @Gorta

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gonna eat lunch, will be back

[Arctic]

@Squirrel2412

I’ll put away my tinfoil on arctic for the time being

you were tinfoiling me?

anyway
who do you think we should actually kill today

[Squirrel2412]

probably cape/lol

[Mistyx]

idt id kill cape rn

not a hugely confident read but i feel like we’ve prob got better options