Yes, I can analyze things in my head, but have a heard time writing my thoughts down. I’ve tried explaining the specifics as best as I could. Some things I could explain, like it seems Proph asks more questions/puts more effort in as town.
Okay
where do you see him asking questions and putting effort in this game
can i direct you to risky light game where gorta as a villager tunneled another villager for made up reasons
it’s also where we got this copypasta from
I go with my gut, the same gut that caught several deep wolves when no one else did, the same gut that was able to find fellow townies good when no one else could, the same gut that could consistently read Alice, and the same gut that is decent at reading people I have no meta on and getting accurate reads. I make mistakes, but I have learned that if I don’t trust my own gut I accidently shoot townies. There have been games in which I trusted a public shotlist and neglected my own gut feelings and guess what, I was right. Some things can’t be explained with “reason”, it just works. You should try trusting intuition more. I really don’t try to have a massive ego, it’s just I want people to recognize my gift
I did the same for squirrel because I’m trying to not tunnel people as much by asking for past games and reviewing it.
go read Proph’s ISO yourself
I was tunneling Squirrel earlier this game because I thought Squirrel was a wolf, but after reviewing some of Squirrel’s past games I found that I was wrong. Proph grilled me over that in much the same way you are here cat
No, I’m not going to do that. I want to know why you thought those things, not look it up for myself. If you are thinking all this stuff you need to show me where you got it from. Saying “I can’t explain it” doesn’t cut it, I’m not asking you to elaborate, even, I’m asking you to show me the posts that made you think the way you are thinking
it’s hard to get wolf meta on gorta since you can’t iso on the archive and he received virtually no pressure in railgun so looking at that game hasn’t done a whole lot for me
the thing is I think that’s an absurdly easy meta to fall back on as mafia and even if he’s stubborn/incoherent as town there should be some semblance of genuine evaluation as town but the way he’s playing today reeks of having an agenda (push scum win condition) rather than any semblance of trying to figure the game out organically, I don’t buy at all tha anything he’s said is a real thought
the way you are treating me reminds me of how Proph was treating me
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Gorta:I’ve said that Kii is scummy and that I just can’t explain why Kii gladiates d1 as scum, so either Kii and Iso are both town or both scum
how are you coming to this conclusion specifically
do you think it’s likely we live in a world where wolf!kiiruma just gladiates his own wolfbuddy 4 hours into the game day and a couple of isolde posts in?
idk i’m kind of confused at what conclusions gorta is drawing here and if it helps him specifically find the wolves
how helpful is it to conclude that (kiiruma/seth are exactly town v town or wolf v wolf)? thats like, two diametrically opposite conclusions, and it would be helpful to figure out if we’re living in world A (town v town world) or world B (wolf v wolf) world
Gorta:lol is really reminding me of lol from the last game if we are being honest and if that’s the case then I want to say lol is town
can you please substantiate this with quotes
i wasn’t reading super closely but arctic had a post above where he shows a stark contrast between lol in railgun and lol in here
good point re: gorta
i was so tunnel visioned on him saying that lol’s play in this game is similar to railgun that i forgot he didn’t really make a point to talk about most of the other slots in the game
like i’d be interested in knowing what he has to say about like, (me/catbae/night/mistyx) i guess
speak of the devil lol
would appreciate you answering my questions gorta
i can give you time gorta, i just need to know /why/
WHY is lol reminding you of last game, and WHAT has he done so far that has made you think that is the case
WHY is cat leaning town
i would prefer if your reasoning was substantiated with QUOTES
i dont care if it takes you the first half of the day phase to do it, i just need to hear your thought process
Gorta:it’s a tone read if we are being honest, I don’t think I could without spending an hour or so making said post
i’m literally just asking gorta to explain his reads and it’s all just “gut” “tone” “i hate how night shuts down town reads without substance” (without quoting where she has done so or why it makes her a wolf)
am i just wasting my time and energy trying to engage with gorta on this
bc multiple people myself included think that lol’s play in this game is very different than his play in railgun
and yet you’re claiming the opposite and that it makes him town - with no reasoning nor quotes to back up what you just said
it reads as though you either have tmi that lol is town or that you’re doing a mediocre job defending him as his wolfbuddy
I keep saying this but I want to hear your reasoning and thought process and you’re just shutting down and saying “gut/tone” + “it would take me an hour to explain”
when realistically I just want you to show me with quotes why you think lols play this game is similar to railgun, a process that imo shouldn’t take you more than 15-20 minutes of ISO diving
considering this is the first time I’m playing with you, I do not think I should have a great understanding of your meta
I’ve only watched you in the game I modded where due to some solid play on your end, you were able to avoid most of the town’s suspicion
so this is me holding your feet to the fire and asking if you can substantiate your reads
Gorta:lol is really reminding me of lol from the last game if we are being honest and if that’s the case then I want to say lol is town
I feel like if you make a read like this you should be able to explain it in further detail with quotes if asked, rather than handwave it away as “gut/tone”
is what I’m trying to say
Gorta:squirrel has a few too many scum reads for my liking and he spends most of d1 pushing Kii, which makes me want to put a light scum read on Squirrel
can you talk about the bolded? from doing a light skim of squirrel’s ISO he only really listed kiiruma and cape as wolfreads, certainly not what i’d say as “too many scum reads for my liking”
and why is having many scumreads indicative of a wolf mindset
oh lmao arctic ninja’d me in #1702
and gorta responded “tone and gut”
Gorta:@Squirrel2412 do you have any wolf games I could review?
Gorta:I’ll review it when I wake up
@Gorta did this happen?
gorta - i’ve tried to engage with him a fair bit today and i just feel like his reads are made-up. early in d1 he thought that kiiruma/isolde was exactly town/town or wolf/wolf and that dichotomy felt really inauthentic to me. gorta saying that lol reminds him of railgun but being unable to provide any quotes/evidence of that fact other than stonewalling me and referring to his gut/tone is sketchy to me. i feel like village gorta would be able to easily show me an example or a quote on why he thought that lol felt the same here but he hasn’t.
“short” KEKW
Vote Gorta @Eraserhead
anyways these are my thoughts, take em or leave em
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Prophylaxis:early in d1 he thought that kiiruma/isolde was exactly town/town or wolf/wolf and that dichotomy felt really inauthentic to me.
[/quote]I’ve explained this too many times. I said early in the day BEFORE I STARTED TO ISO PLAYERS that it looked t/t. I then ISOed Kii and Seth (Kii first) and found Kii scummy, but was questioning why w!Kii uses gladiate d1 on Seth of all people. It was then that I came up with the hypothesis that Seth was Jester or something negative to town if executed. In that frame work either Seth/Kii had to town/town or w/w. Do you get that? I have been explaining my thought processes and you have been ignoring it. Was that intentional? Are you purposely ignoring the things I say trying to explain my thought process?
i’ve been trying to get you to explain your thought process to me for the past couple of days now
can you point out where you thought the bolded is in your ISO? looking through these were your first couple of posts before you thought kiiruma was a wolf:
gorta posts
Gorta:I don’t even have a read on brad yet… Why are you pinging me?
Gorta:I skimmed the thread and I’m guessing the gladiator is in Kii/Iso? I also want to know why there is no resistance on Iso
Gorta:I’ll try to read both before I sleep, but I don’t like that Seth has 4 votes this early in the day with no resistance, maybe I’m crazy though
Gorta:I got caught up with things earlier today, so that’s why I’m here so late
Gorta:because we aren’t even half way through day 1 and Seth has 4 votes and few defenders
Gorta:let’s say you are town, why in the world are you wanting to die? what purpose does it serve?
Gorta:unless Seth has done this as a wolf before I don’t see it coming from w!Seth, but still WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DIE VOLUNTARILY AS TOWN
Gorta:ok, but if you are town you still have a vote, so yeah
Gorta:change in plans, I don’t feel great, so I’m going to postpone my reads
Gorta:ok, but if you think you are both town you don’t have to let mafia use said ability to kill a towny player
Isolde:Why’s is Gorta in every PoE?
I actually found his posts I’ve seen of him quite good.
Mist is also never wolf with Squirrel.I expected it after the last game if we are being honest
Arctic:and i also kind of expected village him to have a bigger/more ragey reaction to the thunderdome given how much i see him complain about people throwing or playing badly as town
if we are being honest I just kind of get used to said plays on this sight, but it’s not like I’ve gotten upset over Seth’s mindset involving dying
Arctic:@Gorta whenever you have time to do stuff, i know it’s obviously important that you decide where you want to vote and this means you need to evaluate the 2 wagon options, but please do make reads on other slots because this will be more relevant to tomorrow’s discussion assuming we end up voting sleep
I’ll do it
Gorta:yeah, thing is even if you are town mafia can use your ability to kill a town
Gorta:now let me work
Gorta:I think Kii has a decent chance of being scum, but I’m trying to decide why scum uses a gladiator d1
unless im misreading something, i dont see where you said they looked town/town before you said kiiruma was wolfy
Gorta:I want to say Proph is scum based on how he is asking tons of questions and putting fewer bits of his own original content out. That read list feels incredibly agenda-ish. Like (I know this is self centered and focused on my slot) his treatment of my slot is bordering on intentional misunderstanding. I have explained my d1 reasoning on several things earlier d1, but Proph seems to misunderstand/ignore it. I was willing to say Proph could be misunderstanding, but I don’t think that’s the case anymore. I’m a really easy mis-execution as well due to the last game I played on this site and Proph would know that. The before mentioned asking questions without generating much original content feels like he is trying to look busy, but is in fact not doing much. I’ve seen this playstyle among wolves that look busy by observing the game and asking questions
this game i am trying to hold your feet to the fire because you were able to skate by fairly easily in railgun and i did not want a repeat this game, hence why i’ve been aggressively questioning you to try and figure out where you stand on things like your lol read
i think it’s disingenuous to say that i haven’t been generating much original content when most of this game has been slanking and not putting in effort. i spent most of yesterday reading through cape and squirrel and today i really focused on listing out my reads
that being said - i do think that these last few posts of yours provide the best look into your mindset out of all of the posts you have, so i’ll sleep on it
Gorta:I was acknowledging that I wasn’t super sure on Kii being a wolf because of the gladiator, so early d1 I did say that it could be t/t. Read between the lines
im bad at reading between the lines when its 12:30am
ill come to a verdict on gorta in the morning
if other ppl could read our convo and chime in with thought re: our alignments that’d be appreciated
hi
have a work project deadline today so im “around” but won’t really be able to contribute anything
Unvote @Eraserhead
no longer think gorta is mafia after the responses he gave to me late last night
honestly if arctic and i are both alive d3/d4 or something i’ll really put in the legwork to read him
@Prophylaxis have you done this yet?
the way you are treating me reminds me of how Proph was treating me
but you think proph is town
and you think proph is town because he’s asking a lot of questions
he’s playing today reeks of having an agenda (push scum win condition)
Don’t you dare try to accuse me of agenda when you and several others killed lol and you killed mist after having mist as a low town read
I don’t care, dude. Being wrong on a ML isn’t a scumtell
That’s great and all, but the question is if we’re both interrogating you this way, do you still have differing opinions on our alignment?
but you think proph is town
and you think proph is town because he’s asking a lot of questions
yes, I do, because Proph was the host of railgun, so either Proph was pushing agenda earlier game or had a bias because Proph hosted railgun. Proph also stopped after a certain point of voting me and what I thought was agenda
but it can also be a sign of power wolfing/agenda, especially if you voted on both dead townies
see but then gorta keeps making posts like this which i feel like are him slipping his wolf mindset that “voting villagers is bad when it’s only villagers being wagoned”
it’s a similar feeling i had about this post
I guess you want to vote me out for not voting to put us in MYLO with 5 minutes left in the day because I had been focused on other slots. I have been screwed over via voting blindly on a wagon too many times to blindly vote someone because a lot of people scum read them
it feels like he has the idea that wolves only vote villagers and so he expected to be townread for voting sleep and is just butthurt that it didn’t work
I think you are pushing agenda plain and simple, because from my point of view I’m very low hanging fruit after the last game I played on this site. It’s convenient I’m getting pushed today when it’s MYLO aka wolves only need one more ML and I’m an easy push.
Arctic is at least trying to solve from what I can tell in our interactions
I guess the questions is why you think I bother with this at all, if theoretically I’m winning today but MLing proph
because ultimately I don’t care about anything further down the line if that’s the case and I don’t need to make a big show of tryin to figure out your alignment
see but then gorta keeps making posts like this which i feel like are him slipping his wolf mindset that “voting villagers is bad when it’s only villagers being wagoned”
it’s a similar feeling i had about this post
thing is, if you remember railgun I did vote villagers when I could justify it