Mountainous AMQ Game Over - Town Wins (2/15 Left) Thread 1

[Zorvo]

@MerpyDerpy

Long story short.

If your the town and Magnus is a wolf I have less confidence you find him then if your the wolf and Magnus is the town they have more chance to find you.

What I am saying is, take the time to read through everything. I’ll try and be in thread with you for as long as I can.
Don’t just rush vote me. If we can pull off a town win we should do so, despite how good Magnus has played.

I won’t deny whichever one of you is a wolf deserves your win. Whoever you are played well.
BUT, it is against my win condition to let you get past me and I should try my best to make sure I get rid of the last wolf and that’s what I plan to do.

Anyway the point is, if you have anything you need from me just ask away, I’ll try my best to make you understand I am town.

If the other town votes me I lose, so I need to figure out if that other town is you or Magnus but I also need to make sure that other town understands I am their other town.

[Zorvo]

@Magnus

You’re already asking questions so I am not too worried if your the town.
You also know how I play so you should be able to figure out I am the town if your town.

[Zorvo]

I just need to make sure my teammate votes the wolf correctly and doesn’t vote out me.

[Magnus]

You sorta just feel like too easy of a vote to make, which is the reason why I’m reading things through.
Have a good night if you’re heading off, though.

[Magnus]

@Zorvo

I try to prevent the CFD, play it off.

(#8290)
Zenon set course for a wagon change onto Lol at the end of the day. Immediately afterwards, you vote from Demisha onto Lol and tried heavily advocating for his death. I don’t think you’d try heading it off in any scenario, there.

[Zorvo]

@Magnus

feel like too easy of a vote to make

I won’t even deny this.
Compared to you two I don’t look as good.
Like even comparing votes:
Merpy going lol then etha for their first votes of the game and you having wolves as your EoD votes.

I don’t compare to this.

So to compensate I am left with no choice, not only do I have to figure out the last wolf but I know my partner is probably more likely to vote me and give the win to wolves, so I need to show them I am the town here.

Another thing I do wanna say though is why haven’t you died yet?
But then on the other hand I look at the kills and other then Demi they make sense?

Doesn’t rule you out either because Tutuu did suspect you a bit.

Speaking of Tutuu one thing I will bring up is “Why would I kill Tutuu”?
As I already explained previously as a wolf I would have used Tutuu or at the very least kept them alive to get some ML’s going through.
As Lol themselves were their weakest sus.

[Zorvo]

@Magnus

@Zorvo

I try to prevent the CFD, play it off.

(#8290)
Zenon set course for a wagon change onto Lol at the end of the day. Immediately afterwards, you vote from Demisha onto Lol and tried heavily advocating for his death. I don’t think you’d try heading it off in any scenario, there.

Another reason I voted lol is because at the time I was thinking on a lol/Demi team

[Magnus]

Actually, I’ve figured it out.

[Magnus]

@Zorvo

Another thing I do wanna say though is why haven’t you died yet?

This isn’t really a point against me since last night was the first time I should’ve died, and Demisha’s death was a certified play.

[Magnus]

So Zorvo. If you’re a villager, I would appreciate if you toned down the unsought self-defence.
Secondly, we aren’t going to vote until at least half way through the day, at a time when all three of us are online. I’m going to write a case.

[Magnus]

Let’s first imagine a world where Merpy is aligned with the evil team. I doubt a team consisting of Merpy / Lol / Etha would be particularly unified in scumchat, so instead they would separate in the game thread and draw their own respective lines. This independent thinking from all three wolves gave Etha a lack of foundation during her behaviour early on, and Lol fed on Etha’s flip without any attempt to reflect well off it. That isn’t to say the scumteam had zero direction, or to say none of them supported one another, but they certainly didn’t cooperate well.

(#179) Merpy enters the thread rather enthused, and gets almost immediately voted by Jormok. Her response isn’t inherently alignment-indicative, but she tries to play it off in a lighthearted, unminding manner. Players should never care about their first received vote, but Merpy answers Jormok’s vote and explanation in an outwardly non-confrontational and yet aware fashion.

Summary

@Jormok

It’s Day one, I’m not reading over 100 posts because I missed SOD. Lmk if I missed important stuff! Anyway. VOTE: Merpy

@MerpyDerpy

Bruh XD

@Jormok

I have to do it, at least once

@MerpyDerpy

That’s fair honestly

[Magnus]

@MerpyDerpy

Is this you saying you distrust me or that Zorvo and I aren’t aligned?

This post could be a theoretical perspective flip if Merpy was a wolf who interpreted a break-down of her behaviour as “suspicion” on her slot… but she’s asked a number of clarifying questions this game so I dunno.

[Magnus]

I’ll be heading off to sleep in a short while.

[Magnus]

@MerpyDerpy

Litten/Etha/Zenon: I haven’t heard enough from these people to get solid reads. Each of these players did make reads, but I haven’t had the chance to look at them in detail tbh. For the time being, they’re all neutral.

@MerpyDerpy

My top 2 town reads are voting Etha, so I am going to follow suit:
(I am sorry if this is the wrong choice) ;-;
VOTE: Etha

@MerpyDerpy

As I said before, I am voting Etha because my top 2 town reads voted it. If you think I should switch my vote, you can try and convince me as to why. I am willing to listen

@MerpyDerpy

Are you absolutely certain Etha is town?

@MerpyDerpy

Wait then why did you vote her, Magnus? I was following your and Achro’s leads

I will say that Merpy’s progression on Etha’s slot wasn’t the best either, going from a nullread to sheeping villagers, implying confidence on what turned out to be an accurate (albeit unfounded) callout, and then questioned it later.

[Magnus]

By the way, this isn’t a coinflip. That would suggest an inordinate degree of luck.

[Magnus]

Good night.

[Zorvo]

@Magnus

So Zorvo. If you’re a villager, I would appreciate if you toned down the unsought self-defence.

Not entirely sure what you mean by this?
Can you explain exactly?

@Magnus

Secondly, we aren’t going to vote until at least half way through the day, at a time when all three of us are online. I’m going to write a case.

Yeah that’s about what I expected.

[Zorvo]

@Magnus

By the way, this isn’t a coinflip. That would suggest an inordinate degree of luck.

Maybe not for whichever one of you is the town if I show myself clearly enough for you that I’m the other.

But for me it kinda feels like a coin flip between you two.

[Zorvo]

@Magnus

@Zorvo

Fuck that is interesting, I’ll budge.

VOTE: Achro

@Zorvo

@Achromatic

Also Zorvo we’ve talked about this. You don’t kill Achro until Achro has a chance to die n1 it’s only polite.

I don’t know why your acting like 2 votes are gonna kill you but ok.

Zorvo is a villager off zeal.

What made you think this and then retract it like a day phase or two later?

@Magnus

For what it’s worth, Zorvo feels the same as he has in pretty much the start of every recent towngame he’s had.

You said this as well, so explain the former please.

@tutuu

Im rly confident when i make snap townreads and i tend to not question myself. Sometimes to good result, sometimes bad

@Magnus

You made that post in response to scumreading Etha though.

So what was this about exactly?

@Magnus

Speaking of which, VOTE: Etha.

I think the way in which she’s been floating around while the rest of the thread feels more nailed down is plausibly suspicious and I want to make that known.

So what made you suspect them more to stay on the wagon.
Because you said “plausibly sus” and “make that known” sounds like you weren’t 100% you’d stay on that wagon.

@Magnus

Everyone has forgotten yesterday’s counterwagons just like that.

Other than Etha, who was the other Counterwagon?

@Magnus

I voted Etha yesterday but this isn’t a slip. Look at the second quoted post.

Also here

@Magnus

I am aware of Etha’s D1.

Is your responses when I noticed you weren’t pushing Etha SoD2.

Then the next thing you post is:

@Magnus

I found your behaviour earlier today to have been suspicious for what it’s worth, Zorvo. Whether or not that means anything is up for you to show.

Were you trying to redirect the attention off of Etha to me?

[Zorvo]

@Magnus

I don’t think Lol was trying to look good off the back of Etha’s flip whatsoever.

Here you also slightly defended lol.

@Magnus

I certainly wanted Etha to die on the second day. I didn’t vote her immediately because it wasn’t helpful for wagonomics, and later because it risked ending the day earlier, but I plainly wanted her dead from the words I was saying.

Now you said this before but if I remember correctly you wanted a Drinks Exe.

@Magnus

@Zorvo

Magnus/Arctic/Lol/Drinks/Merpy

In this world it would make the most sense to be Lol.

Why at the time did you not think it could be Drinks as you pushed on Drinks SoD2.

@Magnus

I did nullread Lol. Rereading Lol’s D1 came up with a vaguely interesting development.

Where/What was this development exactly?