Netrunner Mafia - Game Over: Mala Tempora

[Caspore]

sorry, what I meant was “which one is it for Guava,” if that changes anything.

[Magnus]

@guavagudetama

I’m also a little suspicious of Kana but I don’t understand the dislike on her voting Caspore for two seconds to explain to them that you can switch votes at any time. You saying that just makes it seem like you didn’t actually read the post, just saw that she voted Caspore for saying one NAI sentence, and didn’t actually think about the context surrounding it.

@guavagudetama

While I disagree with Eliza’s first point, the second post she pointed out from Kanave also caught my attention. Voting someone for something unrelated to the game…? Because it’s… “defensive?” That doesn’t make any sense, even if she’s bad at the game as she claims, how are you gonna sus someone for being defense about something that has no relation to the game?? Like it’s day 1 sure but it felt very NAI

@guavagudetama

It must be thanksgiving because this turkey’s about to get cooked

VOTE: ElizaThePsycho

Anyway I don’t like Eliza doubling down on this push on Kanave where Kanave goes “So yeah you can VOTE: Caspore switch votes at any time” and Eliza goes “HMMMMMM SEEMS LIKE A MADE UP READ TO ME!” like yeah that was the whole point she was demonstrating switching votes what

@guavagudetama

@Vulgard

I tend to assume stupid arguments have a lot of villagers involved, and that was definitely a stupid argument. I feel like when a wolf is trying to argue like this, the bad faith comes out eventually, or they start to openwolf by having really bad tone and/or posting poorly. Villagers will just keep posting into the nonsense and it’ll look dumb instead of wolfy.

This sounds like I’m calling everyone idiots but I wanted to elaborate on the V/V/V take from before.

By this logic… I don’t feel as though Kanave comes out looking like an idiot
Eliza doesn’t look like an idiot after the backpedal and she certainly looks like a wolf
Not to say that Squirrel looks like an idiot but they definitely seemed confused so by your logic they’re probably V
So I don’t really think it’s V/V/V if the criteria is “everyone looked stupid”

Early on, Guava throws suspicion onto Kanave and Eliza and doesn’t seem interested in positively reading anyone, which comes across predatory.

@guavagudetama

LMAO WHAT
Eliza that’s literally a fact please
Like it’s pedantic but is that wolf?

@guavagudetama

It’s such a pedantic correction that it literally doesn’t matter
Point is they’re different and assuming that you saying “Kanave’s read is fake” (an accusation) means you think they’re a wolf (a read) implies you think all fake reads are wolf which… is something you did.
That’s genuine logic in a world where “read” and “accusation” mean the same thing

Sure, Guava kinda defends Flygon here, but this is about burying Eliza, not about countering the argument.

@guavagudetama

@Shending_Help

Do you think Eliza is a wolf? It feels like youre attacking her points without trying to figure out her alignment.

This… is an interesting point
Once I’m done backreading I’m going to ISO Flygon I think to reread how they talked about Eliza.

@guavagudetama

Eevee hasn’t posted at all
Is this a coincidence or a common trait between their games?

Anyway, I’m gonna ISO Flygon now but I probably won’t finish reading since I’m in class

@guavagudetama

But this part of the same message seems like, no, they aren’t actually trying to solve the slot, they’re just following me. Illuminating. Shending, you’re definitely onto something here.

Until now, there hasn’t been a single mention of a player Guava reads in a positive light, unless you count this post (which I don’t):

@guavagudetama

@NinjaPenguin

Yes, I do. We can talk about it more once the point in the game arrives where I stop doing it as much if you’d like

I’m on team Arctic now

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@guavagudetama

I’m definitely coming around on the idea that Eliza just doesn’t know what she’s talking about, even after she stopped “faking” (while I don’t believe her read was fake at all I’m willing to believe she’s just a town who doesn’t want to die since every time I’ve played with her she’s died immediately so she backpedaled it)

This is where I should place my vote for now.
VOTE: Flygon

@guavagudetama

To reiterate, I currently feel that Flygon is acting more wolf like than Eliza after closer inspection of Flygon’s posts about Eliza. She could still be a wolf so I would like one of them to die today but I’m leaning towards Flygon.

@guavagudetama

Okay so I was saying that at the time I thought Flygon looked town, and that if Eliza was wolf I didn’t think the other wolves were going to vote with her on Flygon. She still voted Flygon and because of this I was considering the possibility that they were both town.

But now I just think Flygon is a wolf LOL.

Does Guava still scumread Eliza here? It’s unclear.

So, lo and behold, there is a grand total of ONE conclusive townread from Guava.

@guavagudetama

@Arctic

does anybody have thoughts on squirrel

i don’t really agree with vulgard townreading them for the… confusion around eliza

I feel the same as Vulgard pretty much. There’s not much to go off but it seemed like he was genuinely trying to solve. He definitely comes out looking the most townie out of the trio

Which involves… pretty much agreeing with someone else’s townread. There is evidence here that Guava read Squirrel’s posts in this line, but it’s pretty shallow and doesn’t help to get a grasp of Guava’s viewpoint on the game.

[Dum]

@Magnus

Ask me anything.

At this point i you basically just hijacked eeves account this is the 2nd time now

[Caspore]

I feel the same as Vulgard pretty much. There’s not much to go off but it seemed like he was genuinely trying to solve . He definitely comes out looking the most townie out of the trio

actually that reminds me, who is this trio that Guava is referring to? Vulgard’s trio is me/Flygon/Penguin. Squirrel isn’t there.

[Magnus]

I assumed Guava was referring to the trio of Squirrel / Vulgard / Eliza, as mentioned in Arctic’s post, but don’t quote me on that.

[Dum]

@Magnus

Dum feels weird to me

again?

@Magnus

That varies from person to person. It generally means one of “this person isn’t saying anything substantial, they want to look more analytical than they have been, or they’re acting shady”, as decided by my subjective self.

can you dive deeper into each one?

[Caspore]

ohhh I completley missed that then

[Magnus]

Jumping into a game and unloading a readlist onto everyone is terrifying, but that doesn’t necessarily mean I’m committed to those reads. For you, though, anything.

@Dum

@Arctic

can i suggest that instead of wasting your limited posts complaining about the postcap (which is kinda making it a self-fulfilling prophecy) you give some of your thoughts on the game so far

0 toughts, head empty. Mostly because i usually read people by real timing (aka why i hate post caps)

Can you share your current thoughts and see how your reads have improved since last time?

[Dum]

@Magnus

Can you share your current thoughts and see how your reads have improved since last time?

i have a singular light town read on NP. Thats about it. Its already in my ISO

[Flygon]

@Caspore

I think guava thinks you’re a wolf for seemingly bandwagoning on them saying eliza was a wolf without resistance

I stated why I didn’t like eliza and blatantly defended Kanave.

@NinjaPenguin

@Ashlyn

It feels like it was done intentionally because you feel like they were receiving too much attention, and they were trying to go more UTR so they did something that didn’t make sense. It could also be because they wanted to disrupt Arctic’s read on them. In general, though, I can’t really find a good reason for it to come from town and it’s a concern.

Ooh that’s not a motivation I considered I think I’ll bandwagon you
VOTE: Caspore

Do you realize who you responded to and who your voting?

Flygon

[Magnus]

That’s why you feel weird. Forty-six posts and you have one weak read.
Thanks for proving my point, though.

[Kanave]

@Caspore

so what happens when a person gets replaced, do they cease existing

We’ll never know, and lets not find out

@Arctic

okay well anyway i read the rest of shending’s posts and i’m thinking he’s probably town
he’s a good wolf though so maybe i shouldn’t be
oh well

Don’t like how wishy washy this is, if you think hes town jsut say he’s town, if he’s wolfy later we cna change that read.

@NinjaPenguin

Remind me to comment on this at some point

reminding you (still backreading idk if you already did or not)

@Arctic

yeah, this is valid. it’s not wolfy for me though. i hedge a lot more as town and consider many viewpoints

This is why the above isn’t paticularly wolf yet btw

@Caspore

@Kanave could I convince you to return to jokingly voting against me?

hmmmm
no never
VOTE: Caspore

@guavagudetama

That wasn’t townie posting I just have adhd and was completely focused on the thread at the time

guava stop towny posting i want to play with you :c

@guavagudetama

I didn’t even notice she voted you. That actually makes me think this might be V/V because unless she wants to bus herself because given how the interaction went down a Flygon vote doesn’t seem like something fellow wolves would want to follow.

Sure that makes it sound like not W/W but how does that make it explicitly V/V instead of just 1 of them being a wolf?

@guavagudetama

To reiterate, I currently feel that Flygon is acting more wolf like than Eliza after closer inspection of Flygon’s posts about Eliza. She could still be a wolf so I would like one of them to die today but I’m leaning towards Flygon.

oh you didn’t think that i misinterpreted my b

@Vulgard

Like I said earlier, there’s a lack of the behavior I saw from her when I pushed her correctly (I’d like to pretend Pathological didn’t happen, but I can’t).

tbf you haven’t pushed me yet, maybe start deathpushing me and I’ll just slip and out as wolf

@Arctic

actually i think planning ahead is wolf indicative for eliza

actually true

@guavagudetama

I was tunnelling Eliza and I was like “if Flygon is voting with me and people are calling me town they probably think Flygon is town too” which is stupid but that was the thought process

@guavagudetama

You posit questions to Eliza but already vote her without hearing a response.

I Disagree that that’s wolfy, Votes are really fluid and can be changed pretty much whenever, voting until you have answers is a perfectly acceptable way to add presure to the responder

[Kanave]

accidently hit entr early still backreading

[Dum]

@Magnus

That’s why you feel weird. Forty-six posts and you have one weak read.
Thanks for proving my point, though.

magnus are you talking about the same person i am? You played with me twice in recent history, you really should know i have near 0 reads D1

[guavagudetama]

@Magnus

Until now, there hasn’t been a single mention of a player Guava reads in a positive light, unless you count this post

I don’t say my town reads because I’m much better at explaining why I think someone is a wolf than why I think someone is town. Right now I trust you, Shending, Ashlyn, Dum and Squirrel. I don’t see any reason to be suspicious of you five at the moment. But fuck if I could explain to you why I think your posts are townie.

[Magnus]

You were obvtown to May and I in Nightmare Woods, and we died N1.

[Caspore]

ok gonna update my answer to Penguin’s question:

I still think Flygon is town.

But I’m thinking Guava is a wolf now for jumping on Flygon. Voting is demonstrably not a locking in of opinion.

Magnus brings up a good point that Guava has commented a lot but has not made many town reads, mostly focusing on mafia reads, but I’m not entirely sure of the implications. Either Guava is very zealous about discovering the mafia, or wants to take control of the conversation to sway the public into a kill, but I can’t tell which it is.

[guavagudetama]

@Magnus

I assumed Guava was referring to the trio of Squirrel / Vulgard / Eliza, as mentioned in Arctic’s post, but don’t quote me on that.

Correct (basically)! I was agreeing with Vulgard in that I think Squirrel comes across as town in the Squirrel / Kanave / Eliza interaction.

[Dum]

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@Magnus

You were obvtown to May and I in Nightmare Woods, and we died N1.

Unless im going insane, i still had no reads that game, but im putting this out here before i fact check myself

[Dum]

also can you expand on the other two now