Netrunner Mafia - Game Over: Mala Tempora

[Vulgard]

@Flygon

Also Damn Penguin has such good analysis here and it’s like if they are a wolf they are doing a damn good job and clearly preparing for that F3.

All he’s doing is trying to set me up with Squirrel so that either I get yeeted after him and game is over or that game is over because “I’m trying to protect Squirrel” who is actually V.

Open your eyes.

@Flygon

In case I actually scare Vulgard and they kill me over the literal town PR for some reason I’ll say the case plan I have.

There is no way you die over Kanave unless Kanave is fake (and I really don’t think she is).

@Flygon

Squirrel goes over today, flips wolf.

This has become significantly riskier with NP blatantly trying to set me up alongside him.

@NinjaPenguin

With Vulgard/Squirrel, that leaves three options: Ashlyn/Wazza/Guava
In the Ashlyn world, Vulgard is setting up Ashlyn to look good when he dies.
In the Wazza world, Wazza is bussing to look good when Vulgard/Squirrel die.
In the Guava world, Guava is just cruising on past town cred to not make waves and let a win come to them through either townies screwing up? or maybe setting up a future ML on Wazza?
Pre-today the only unaligned interactions with those three and Vul/Squirrel that I recall were the Guava-Squirrel ones

Look, he’s not even considering the third because he knows he doesn’t need to. He has TMI on knowing he doesn’t need to. He’s just giving worlds because he knows that me/Squirrel yeets in any order end the game, all he has to do is push the world of us two being W/W regardless of Squirrel’s alignment.

Ashlyn and NP are both wolves, I am not voting this.

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

Ashlyn and NP are both wolves, I am not voting this.

Even if Squirrel is a wolf, I’d rather get them beforehand.

[Vulgard]

Ashlyn is trying to stall and NP is trying to push agenda.

[guavagudetama]

@Vulgard

Wolves love to open with noncommittal comments on villagers being suspected

Lol what

@Vulgard

which is what this opener would be if guava is a wolf.

Or it’s just me commenting on two people who are typically suspected quickly in games (which, if I may: YOU are the person who susses Arctic)
But go off king

@Vulgard

I think it’s Ashlyn/NP, with the third being Wazza or Squirrel.

Lol what x2

@Vulgard

NP trying to set me up as W/W with Squirrel is something I could read either way in regard to Squirrel’s alignment, but it makes a bit more sense if Squirrel is mafia, because it makes me get yeeted next after Squirrel flips W.

I literally said you guys were paired too, and I think I said it first

@Vulgard

He’s using the justification of me and Squirrel being “paired” to justify yeeting us both even though we could be different alignment or V/V

Am I tired or does this sentence not make sense

@Vulgard

All he’s doing is trying to set me up with Squirrel so that either I get yeeted after him and game is over or that game is over because “I’m trying to protect Squirrel” who is actually V.

(The he in this sentence is Flygon for future reference)

Can you at least stop acting like you’re not paired with Squirrel? You can keep pretending you’re town but it feels like you’re distancing and also townreading him, you can’t have your cake and eat it too

@Vulgard

Open your eyes.

Can you close your eyes and die for me? /nm

@Vulgard

@NinjaPenguin

With Vulgard/Squirrel, that leaves three options: Ashlyn/Wazza/Guava

In the Ashlyn world, Vulgard is setting up Ashlyn to look good when he dies.
In the Wazza world, Wazza is bussing to look good when Vulgard/Squirrel die.
In the Guava world, Guava is just cruising on past town cred to not make waves and let a win come to them through either townies screwing up? or maybe setting up a future ML on Wazza?
Pre-today the only unaligned interactions with those three and Vul/Squirrel that I recall were the Guava-Squirrel ones

Look, he’s not even considering the third because he knows he doesn’t need to.

quotes him trying to figure out who the third wolf is “he’s not even considering the third”
I take it back you can open your eyes to read the posts you’re commenting on

@Vulgard

He has TMI on knowing he doesn’t need to. He’s just giving worlds because he knows that me/Squirrel yeets in any order end the game, all he has to do is push the world of us two being W/W regardless of Squirrel’s alignment.

This is just painful. There’s no way you actually think this but only for him?

@Vulgard

Ashlyn is trying to stall and NP is trying to push agenda.

Lol what x3
Literally crying wdym Ash is trying to stall
Like I literally think she’s the most likely third wolf in a Vulgard/Squirrel world but I don’t think she’s “trying to stall”

[Vulgard]

@guavagudetama

Lol what

Exactly what you read.

@guavagudetama

Or it’s just me commenting on two people who are typically suspected quickly in games (which, if I may: YOU are the person who susses Arctic)
But go off king

It could be either or. I don’t think you’re a wolf anyway, why bother with this?

@guavagudetama

Lol what x2

I explained why?

@guavagudetama

I literally said you guys were paired too, and I think I said it first

But you can’t be with NP and he is also doing it. So one of you at most can be a wolf and he has been scummier all game while also blatantly pushing that agenda harder.

@guavagudetama

Am I tired or does this sentence not make sense

You are tired.

@guavagudetama

Can you at least stop acting like you’re not paired with Squirrel? You can keep pretending you’re town but it feels like you’re distancing and also townreading him, you can’t have your cake and eat it too

What am I supposed to do, tell you I’m W/W with him? We are not W/W, in fact there is still a chance we are V/V and we’re about to lose the game because you won’t stop treating us as a wolfpair.

@guavagudetama

quotes him trying to figure out who the third wolf is “he’s not even considering the third”
I take it back you can open your eyes to read the posts you’re commenting on

He’s not trying to figure shit out there, he’s just listing worlds. Are you actually interpreting what he’s saying or just taking it at face value?

@guavagudetama

This is just painful. There’s no way you actually think this but only for him?

I actually think this and I’d like you to be more flexible here. Atm I might just vote Squirrel because I don’t think we’re ever winning in this gamestate if he isn’t mafia, you’re just going to kill both of us no matter what happens because you won’t listen.

@guavagudetama

Lol what x3
Literally crying wdym Ash is trying to stall

Ashlyn hasn’t given a coherent and confident world all day, of course that’s stalling.

[Vulgard]

The wolf pathway to victory lies in me/Squirrel being yeeted, both of us or one of us depending on Squirrel’s alignment and the order in which it happens. NP is blatantly pushing that agenda and Ashlyn is sitting on the sidelines not doing much of note because she doesn’t need to, it’s going the wolves’ way and she is not in danger. Every villager helping this narrative to get pushed is complicit in us losing because “me and Squirrel have to be W/W.” Look at other possibilities. Actually consider what I’m saying. We are in MyLo and you are going on autopilot because “oh, everyone said Squirrel was a wolf so he probably is, and Vulgard has been trying to make him not get yeeted which means they must be partners!!”

[Vulgard]

This really reminds me of a previous game where everyone and their mother thought Squirrel was a wolf and he was actively making himself an ML and I was trying to prevent him from becoming one. This scenario is a bit different because of its urgency, but the autopiloting is extremely similar. Even if Squirrel is a wolf, this is a game-losing trajectory, and I am not going to let this happen just because I was wrong during the previous days.

[Vulgard]

Tbh maybe I’m wrong on NP being the wolf over guava, they are both essentially doing the same thing here. Meh, either way I prefer Ashlyn over everyone else.

[Vulgard]

@guavagudetama

quotes him trying to figure out who the third wolf is “he’s not even considering the third”
I take it back you can open your eyes to read the posts you’re commenting on

You’re legitimately not even trying to evaluate me anymore, you’re just throwing shade. If you are a villager, you are playing this really badly.

[Wazza]

day ends in 5 hours 30, we need to vote Flygon or Squirrel I’m assuming

ngl out of those I’m more inclined to vote Squirrel for self-explanatory and obvious reasons

[Flygon]

@Vulgard

Tbh maybe I’m wrong on NP being the wolf over guava, they are both essentially doing the same thing here. Meh, either way I prefer Ashlyn over everyone else.

I mean I feel Squirrel Is a wolf either way.

If you think it’s with Ash then you and Ash can Thunderdome in F5 of which I’ll probably have been night killed.

[Flygon]

I’m sorry though but you being a wolf Vulgard has things make allot of sense.

Like the Caspore and Arctic night kills are kinda odd.

[Flygon]

Caspore wasn’t highly town read except by like me, Penguin and maybe someone else.

Arctic probably was PR found and I know both you and Arctic at the best at PR hunting.

Not to mention that’s just one of the reasons.

The others is game state and what makes the most sense, especially with Squirrel!Wolf.
And you have the most wolf equity with them.

[Flygon]

@Vulgard

This really reminds me of a previous game where everyone and their mother thought Squirrel was a wolf and he was actively making himself an ML

NGL though I’d think maybe you’re trying to still save Squirrel and what if he flips wolf?
You realize how bad your posts look right? XD

[Flygon]

I’ll also counter act what Vulgard said about Penguin and everyone trying to force the execution and just needs to convince a couple town so town loses.

However the same can be said for Vulgard trying to save their partner and try and get a mafia sweep and see if they can appeal enough that people don’t vote Squirrel cause Vulgard is in a position right now where if they don’t think fast, both their partner and them go over and they have to depend on their last partner winning F3.

So like.

Flygon

[NinjaPenguin]

Morning everyone
I feel like I should make some comment saying that Vulgard attacking me for making a push in MYLO is absolutely ridiculous because we literally need to get together and make a push to win but I feel like he’s just in antispew and just saying lazy stuff so he can put up token resistance and steer his partner to a F3 victory however he thinks we’ll react so whatever
Getting some sleep didn’t change anything so I guess it’s time for me to put my money where my mouth is ahhhh
VOTE: Squirrel2412
Glgl we’ve got this

[Host_Account_4]

Votecount

Squirrel2412 (2): Flygon, NinjaPenguin

Not Voting (6): Wazza, Vulgard, Squirrel2412, guavagudetama, Kanave, Ashlyn

With 8 alive, it’s 5 to execute.

The deadline is 2023-01-20T19:00:00Z.

[guavagudetama]

@Vulgard

@guavagudetama

Lol what x2

I explained why?

It’s just difficult to wrap my head around a world where me you and Flygon are all town

@Vulgard

It could be either or. I don’t think you’re a wolf anyway, why bother with this?

Listen usually idk how to defend my actions this is like the one time I have a rebuttal I’m gonna take the excuse

@Vulgard

But you can’t be with NP and he is also doing it. So one of you at most can be a wolf and he has been scummier all game while also blatantly pushing that agenda harder.

Your world view makes so much more sense now holy shit

@Vulgard

What am I supposed to do, tell you I’m W/W with him? We are not W/W, in fact there is still a chance we are V/V and we’re about to lose the game because you won’t stop treating us as a wolfpair.

You said your third was between Squirrel and Wazza but I don’t think there’s a world where Squirrel is not the same alignment as you, that’s what I meant by that comment. I’m not saying “out yourself as wolf” but I don’t understand a world where you guys are w/v

@Vulgard

He’s not trying to figure shit out there, he’s just listing worlds. Are you actually interpreting what he’s saying or just taking it at face value?

I feel like the posts he’s been making show clear attempts to actually think about the game despite tunnelling me for like 2 days
I think that post in particular while it’s just “listing worlds” shows his thought process of who the third wolf could be pretty well

@Vulgard

I actually think this and I’d like you to be more flexible here. Atm I might just vote Squirrel because I don’t think we’re ever winning in this gamestate if he isn’t mafia, you’re just going to kill both of us no matter what happens because you won’t listen.

Ignore that post I didn’t understand that you weren’t sussing me because me and NP are unpaired

[guavagudetama]

@Vulgard

Look at other possibilities. Actually consider what I’m saying. We are in MyLo and you are going on autopilot because “oh, everyone said Squirrel was a wolf so he probably is, and Vulgard has been trying to make him not get yeeted which means they must be partners!!”

I am considering what you’re saying but I can’t wrap my head around NP playing the way he is as wolf. Like… just why?

[Squirrel2412]

VOTE: NinjaPenguin

game didn’t end