Omega Strikers FM - Saboteurs and Dissenter Win

[Dubu]

VOTE: Rune

[Luna]

Um I saw Ai/Rune get a little more active and Atlas seems a bit limp after what I thought was a strong D1, beyond that I’m not sure what you mean

[Estelle]

After Drak got pushed, Rune started to push against Atlas very aggressively.

[Luna]

Mm. I’ll keep this in mind tomorrow on a reread, I am kinda hoping Ai/X do something, I may not like some of Rune’s direction this game but at least he is doing something, I’m wary of blindspots

[Estelle]

Same, I’m also planning to reread tomorrow. I’ve spent a majority of my time this evening thinking abstractly because I noticed that I literally do not have the will power to focus down and read people’s posts and instead are focusing on what I know they did in my head. I’m not actually sure what that is called I’m just going to pretend it’s called abstract reading tho

[Rune]

@Luna

Um I saw Ai/Rune get a little more active and Atlas seems a bit limp after what I thought was a strong D1, beyond that I’m not sure what you mean

That’s not really fair to Ai.mi. She was pretty active D1 imo, and even I thought her line of questioning was suspicious.

@Estelle

After Drak got pushed, Rune started to push against Atlas very aggressively.

They’re separate and unrelated pushes but I get why you’d worldbuild around that.

[Luna]

Think I’m gonna call it a night, hit me up with whatever

@ Rune apologies for the aggro, I’ma try to keep it tamer moving forward

Would appreciate any insight into Ai.mi, if not I’ll find your progression on her when I sit down tomorrow to sift thru the game

[Estelle]

If your town just keep on chugging
I’ll eventually get there probably
In the morning tho
Def not tonight

[Rune]

ok

whats your favorite kpop

[Estelle]

I don’t listen to kpop

[Rune]

VOTE: estelle

[Rune]

VOTE: Atlas

Well, other thoughts not entirely Atlas related:

I think ai.mi is fine d2. X needs to chime in obviously but i think his d1 was good. I guess while im burning bridges and going hard on fos, Era could be as bad as Atlas on the Kai vote and i can see that scenario.

[Rune]

Drak should also shoot tonight at somebody actually scummy. There are no confirmed flips here and a wolf!mayor reducing vote parity isnt a concern.

[Rune]

To elaborate, i think that second point indicates that Drak is very likely town or a wolf seriously playing the long game for some silly reason. There’s just a lot of risk to that fps for a wolf vig in this setup and theres too much plausible deniability for a wolfvig to hide behind after killing off a decent PR. Drak is actually more suspected for not shooting than he would be if he had and im wondering if thats wolf talking points being sold as the “best mechanical town thing to do.” If im wrong gg.

[Era]

@Rune

I just wanted to see how his brain was working.

Of course, I don’t agree with #870 and I think it misrepresents Kai’s posts. For example, him being “the optimal d1 lynch lmao” was in reference to how to mechanics/voting was going to play a heavier role in the game later and having a wolf Mayor/doublevoter could screw us. It was the line directly before that. I might agree with the micro-read but Kai probably just phrased that horribly.

That doesn’t matter though. Kai is super-duper dead. I think Atlas is an excellent candidate to lynch today. Era/Juno are also good nominees

Yeah, that post only solidifies it… I think Rune is trying to kill three town here. In my opinion, the direction of his current pushing is an attempt to break open the towncore.

My vote stays.

@Dubu

I think Atlas will likely eventually NEED to die, but I don’t want it to be today. Flipless games are hard.

You shouldn’t comment on Atlas dying…

@Juno

Atlas has the single strongest role in the game. I would rather have one Atlas on our side than 2 of any other role. Since I read Atlas as town I believed he would likely get shot. So I watched him. Dubu protecting him for the same reason makes sense to me too especially since Atlas can’t be blocked so there’s no downside.

I agree the actions of you two are towny. I am not the first person to say this but this does warrant reiterating.

@Ai.Mi You really need to stop tunneling me if you are a competitor. It’s the only read of yours you seen to have cared about for two days now, at least when it comes to saboteur reads, and it’s incorrect…

@Estelle

This game is a mess and I don’t see how we win

I do… I think we need to start by killing Rune. The game is only a mess because people are trying to break up the towncore for no reason other than the fact we missed yesterday (according to Atlas), which is unfortunate but… doesn’t mean the wolves are super deep.

@Luna

Right now I think Juliette was correct when she cased Rune/Ai.mi, meaning a competitor in them, and that’s part of the reason she was killed

I think I agree with this.

[Era]

X has dropped off extremely and might be worth considering as well, though I think him holstering is >rand competitor… Thoughts?

[Era]

In regard to Drekar and him holstering… I agree with the players calling it pro-saboteur to holster here, but I also think that mech-related behavior like this could come from a competitor. What bothers me more is that Drek’ar’s aggression and pursuit of reads have significantly faded since the earlygame. Early on, Drekar was intent on fighting me and actively encouraged clashes, but today… he’s just talked about him holstering the vig, and later into yesterday he also didn’t give any content. It could be that he’s busy in real life, but still, the dropoff is significant, and the aggression is watered-down at most… It certainly does feel like he’s trying to coast through so that he can vig later into the game, when it is more convenient to wolves. Somebody made a good point about this: later in the game, wolves can manipulate the vig more easily if a competitor has it, so holstering just makes the saboteurs more likely to kill you or mess with your target if you stay alive for longer without shooting. There’s also the fact that if you are a saboteur vigilante here, you could easily shoot into the towncore later and claim your action was manipulated or something, particularly if Estelle is dead…

There are many aspects of Drekar’s situation that point toward him being a saboteur here. Please let me know what you think about this.

[Era]

My saboteur reads are, in order from strongest to weakest: Rune > Drekar > Ai.Mi. The first part of my read on Rune was explained here:

@Era

Looking at Rune’s ISO again, I’m deeply dissatisfied with the quality of his reads… he’s just picking viable kills rather than actual scumreads. He doesn’t seem to be engaged in any wagons or pushes so far, and his longer post about his grouping of four has questionable reasoning (“Juliette and Ai.Mi are obfuscating the thread, which could be inquisitive town but also could be wolf flooding the thread”). I think framing it that way is wolfy.

The post also contains examples of what I’m talking about.

The second part comes from today. Simply put, I think him reading Atlas, Juno, and myself as saboteurs here is a wolfsided agenda. I think I’ve been towny, and I think the other two have also been towny. Juno specifically also has a good mechanical reason to be a competitor (the watch on Atlas). Rune’s reads have also completely changed from yesterday; yesterday, Rune was sussing Juliette (which I do agree with Luna about in that it’s quite ridiculous to have wolfread Juliette, she was very towny) and Ai.Mi, but today, Rune has laid off Ai.Mi and is instead pushing more targets I think are competitors. I suppose my reads could be upside down, but nothing about the gamestate indicates to me that they are, and the gamestate deteriorating (as some people have claimed) can be most closely linked to Rune’s pushing and Drekar’s treatment of the vig.

Which brings me to Drekar, the read on whom I explained in the post here.

@Era

In regard to Drekar and him holstering…

It’s not as strong as the read on Rune, because he isn’t attempting to push anyone… but in itself, that’s quite suspicious, because he portrayed himself as an aggressive player early into day 2.

Finally, the read on Ai.Mi. I take issue with the fact I’m her only significant push after a whole day and a part of another day. I think her reads are extremely inflexible and she is being unreasonably stubborn about wolfreading me. I suppose this could just be a tunnel, but she has barely given any other reads as of late… I’m not sure if a tunneling competitor approaches it that way. I’d expect more reads, on other players as well. Perhaps this is incorrect of me to assume, and I am naturally going to be biased because she’s been pushing me so much, so please discuss this read with me…

[Era]

@Era

X has dropped off extremely and might be worth considering as well, though I think him holstering is >rand competitor… Thoughts?

X is a case of just… not really existing. I think Dubu has substantially improved and that his action is towny - meanwhile, X holstered and X has barely been posting. I know I made the accusation of Dubu being a polarized saboteur trying to coast yesterday - I take it back, I currently think he’s a competitor. That said, the description might apply to X…? I did have a competitor read on him early on, but the dropoff is notable. I feel the slot has been underdiscussed, so please engage with me about it as well…

[Era]

I am quite confident that Estelle, Atlas, Juno, and Luna are competitors, and I currently think Dubu is a competitor as well.