One Step From Eden JK9 - Town wins!

[Magnus]

Sorry.

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

rip jarek

[furtiveglance]

Hi Magnus, thoughts on Bradland?

[Magnus]

Boo

@May

@Jaiden Looks like you’re the one who’s randed wolf here, then.

@May

I am busy shivering like a chihuahua in an Italian restaurant with a $7 “sharing fee”. This is not my natural habitat. I’ve escaped to the restroom for a moment but soon I must depart this world and return to that hellscape. Goodbye

Weak response to Jaiden’s scumread, doesn’t want to appear flustered. No longer wanting to appear evil, May says things like this to appear useful:

@May

I agree that Jarek and Leafia probably aren’t W/W, Zorvo is having his usual fixation on his previous experience with players, Jaiden is coming in very different from our previous game and I think it’s towny but I know you’re very capable of mixing up your scumgames so we’ll see. We’ll see.

The most assertive part of this read is “Leafia and Jarek not W/W”, which is utterly meaningless from my perspective. May continues to be extremely neutral on every front.

@May

This is a deeply neutral interaction, I think. It solidifies both players’ neutrality in my mind. Of course, given there’s only a 25% chance of any player being scum FMPOV, that’s a perfectly fine thing to be.

@May

This is funny. Jarek responded within the minute here. Then again… not a super difficult-to-fake response. We’ll see.

@May

@Jaiden

jarek/leafia probably not s/s, i dont see jarek as the kind of guy to say his scumbuddy is scum in one word in his like second post

if they were both scum thered be a sentence, most likely with a slightly funny reason attached

I can find myself agreeing with this. I’m watching myself right now, hovering right over my own head in third person, and I agree with it, and I’ve not yet moved the camera sufficiently far to have lost track. Of myself. So I’ve found myself. Agreeing with it. 4 AM

Yada yada yada.

@May

@IcetFeelsPain

Regarding post caps, do we have to manually keep track of all 150 posts? Also what Furt when did you have a professor why can’t someone teach me how to find scum.

VOTE: Jarek pregame readings never lie

Following this vote is inteeeeresting and I’d like to hear more about it, Icet. Obviously, it’s too early for anyone to be that confident in a vote, but some questions for you:

1. Do you think the way Jaiden’s presented her case sounds trustworthy on a surface level? Just your first instinct is fine.
2. Is there any material from Jarek you’ve seen that you think would indicate alignment one way or another, or nah?
3. What do you think makes placing a vote in this kind of early situation useful in the general case?

Questioning others about their reads when you aren’t examining their case is a red flag. Icet didn’t answer these questions in their acknowledgement of this post, May doesn’t seem to follow up on this.

@May

This is questions and investigation. And thinking. >rand town from Zorvo?

Remember this, because May ended up voting Zorvo at the end of the day.

@May

I’m not sure how I feel about Zorvo following up this vote, nor how I feel about him clarifying that he has a vibe townread on Jarek. Unfortunately, I wasn’t paying close enough attention during Hell Echoes to notice whether this is simply just how Zorvo tries to play now, or if he’s acting out of character because he’s a wolf.

Doesn’t believe in their own reads.

@May

It reads to me potentially wolfy, I feel like “oh yeah just follow the wrong townie” is a decently strong newbie wolf instinct, as is “townie voted my wolfbuddy, gotta join them to look unaligned”.

@May

@BradLand

Okay so, saying hi, not being worried about postcap, and rightfully calling every post so far a shitpost is bad?

Literally why the fuck would I be worried about post cap when I usually hit it like in the last stages of the day phase when it’s close to EOD and I’m not stuck doing anything.

One of the dumbest reads I’ve seen in my life.

Plus yes, the posts before I started posting were absolutely nothing, from everyone. If you actually gained a read on someone before I started posting you’re bullshitting.

Chat, I’d like you all to know that reading this post, for some reason, immediately made my brain conjure up a world where Brad is a wolfy townie who I’m gaslighting myself into thinking is my wolfbuddy, and I want to ignore it or provide minimal commentary to look aligned. Just wholesale created. I’m town.

Anyway, time to provide minimal commentary. I struggle to read Brad.

I will talk about Brad later, but this is not okay from May.

@May

I can definitely agree with this first part. Soft townread on Leafia from this post? I’m not sure why, it’s just the vibes I’m getting. If she is wolf, probably unaligned with Furtive, as phrasing things “isn’t a good look” sounds pretty town-spewy.

@May

Oh damnit. Nope. Nevermind. She’s used “I will admit that” twice, and now she’s said “let’s see where this takes us”, exact phrasing she’s used when distancing from a buddy with a vote she doesn’t intend to follow up on.

May is doing everything in his power not to make reads.

@May

@Zorvo

Yeah, might be a wolf trying to appear Townie.

VOTE: Jaiden

Zorvo had this OMGUS kinda thing in his most recent wolfgame I think.

@May

Anyway VOTE: Zorvo Most likely wolf

Not sure where this even came from, and I don’t think it’s even true? May didn’t check or anything, this is not in-character.

@May

I’m designing setups I’ve gone to the dark side I’m agonizing over roles now. I don’t remember what I was doing at EoD. Probably multitabling because I’m a clown

This redeems everything, though.

@May

Is there not inherent reasonable explanation “me, known townie, dying = bad for my wincon”? Yeah obviously not saying anything is sus but it’s not in the slightest outing as scum

@May

There is absolutely reason for Brad to have silently self-preserved as town. Does it make him townie? No! It’s an entirely neutral move! But wanting to survive is NAI, and not bothering to explain why is… also NAI, just indicative of not-particularly-abundant care for the game.

I don’t see the material benefit this has for mafia over town. Self-preservation is always good, and no explanation is always bad. w!Brad could just as easily argue that Zorvo had been scummy or provide an explanation for his actions as t!Brad could.

May and Brad are not W/W off this, it’s just too blatant.

[May]

MAGNUS JUMPSCARE

[Magnus]

https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/goat-2-game-thread-5-15-day-6-mafia-wonnered/3353
https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/nightmare-woods-fm-mod-error-town-victory/3845
These might not be Brad’s most recent towngame, but there should be enough here to show that Brad looks deeply out of character.

[Magnus]

Summary

@Leafia

Oops as well. Giggles sheepishly I love the flavor too. Delicious!

@Jaiden

VOTE: Leafia
you did not just call the flavor “Delicious!”

@Leafia

What? Flavor is something you either find delicious or not delicious.

@Jaiden

my flavor was delicious too

@Leafia

True. I quite liked your first post. You coming out aggressive like this is a good look for you too so you can have the slimmest of townleans from me for now.

@Jaiden

UNVOTE
leafia lock town for not immediately gladiating me. proud of you leafia

@Leafia

Not really a good reason to locktown me, but somewhat understandable given how I can be sometimes as wolf.

@Jaiden

im overexaggerating
i dont think anyone could do that off of like 2 posts at sod. theyd have to be a psychic

@Leafia

Laughs That’s what I thought honestly. Either that or if they’re a wolf.

This feels like theatre. This interaction bothers me.

[furtiveglance]

Theatre between Leafia and …the mod?

[Magnus]

@Host_Account_5

Jaiden (1): Zorvo

@Zorvo

This is just a vibe read, no real concrete shit, but this feels more like Town!Leafia then a Wolf!Leafia.

@Zorvo

I now have a vibe Town read on Jarek and I do agree Brad should be pressured here.

VOTE: Bradland

@BradLand

You I would just vote out regardless of what you are because you have no hope as a player.

@BradLand

I have May and Jaiden as my townreads.

VOTE: furtiveglance

Then you got this guy who’s done fuck all so far this game and piggybacked off of someone else’s push.

Brad teamed with Jaiden and trying to push Leafia’s scumread on Furtive would be wild.

[Magnus]

What mod? Leafia and Jaiden at the start of D1.

[Magnus]

@May

@IcetFeelsPain

Regarding post caps, do we have to manually keep track of all 150 posts? Also what Furt when did you have a professor why can’t someone teach me how to find scum.

VOTE: Jarek pregame readings never lie

Following this vote is inteeeeresting and I’d like to hear more about it, Icet. Obviously, it’s too early for anyone to be that confident in a vote, but some questions for you:

1. Do you think the way Jaiden’s presented her case sounds trustworthy on a surface level? Just your first instinct is fine.
2. Is there any material from Jarek you’ve seen that you think would indicate alignment one way or another, or nah?
3. What do you think makes placing a vote in this kind of early situation useful in the general case?

This is even worse in hindsight because Icet’s vote was clearly RVS.

[May]

Asking questions about an RVS vote is suspicious? That’s literally how one proceeds out of the stage, no?

[furtiveglance]

I didn’t see the summary, my bad

[Magnus]

@Jarek

@Leafia

True. I quite liked your first post. You coming out aggressive like this is a good look for you too so you can have the slimmest of townleans from me for now.

Overanalysing a single post to appear townie.

@Leafia

Not really a good reason to locktown me, but somewhat understandable given how I can be sometimes as wolf.

Attempting to dissuade a townread on them placed relatively early to appear townie for “not wanting to be townread for the wrong reasons”

Jaiden/Leafia being the team would make my day.

Oh hey, mindmeld.

[Magnus]

I’m pretty sure you know better than this. We skipped RVS in some past games, remember?

[May]

Know better than what, Magnus? Sure, going “oh why are you voting here” isn’t generally a super productive question, it drops the facade, but with IceT being new to specifically forum mafia, I thought I could get a good interaction out of that - a scum IceT would probably have been advised to place a vote by a buddy, and so wouldn’t have a super good explanation for #3.

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

@Magnus

@Leafia

Not really a good reason to locktown me, but somewhat understandable given how I can be sometimes as wolf.

@Jaiden

im overexaggerating
i dont think anyone could do that off of like 2 posts at sod. theyd have to be a psychic

this feels like theatre
everything else does not

[Magnus]

@May

I thought I could get a good interaction out of that

In which case you should’ve made an attempt to repeat your questions to IceT when they completely ignored you.

@IcetFeelsPain

this mega post

This was all that was said.

[May]

@IcetFeelsPain

UNVOTE @may I don’t think they’re Town / Scum it was a shitvote to go on. Agree with how Eliza has done NOTHING this game when they’re suppose to be carrying me!!!

VOTE: Eliza keep your promises to me please.

Leafia atm seems Towny to be but it could just be the SE thingy!

No, he also said this, which I thought was interesting enough for the time being to not bother pressing on further. He took the opportunity of me asking questions to move off Jarek and onto Eliza.

[Magnus]

The whole interaction feels like theatre. Jaiden’s vote on Leafia is just RVS, but Leafia makes up a reason to townread Jaiden for it — “being aggressive”, Leafia knows better —, and Jaiden knows better than to trust Leafia for this reason, and yet Jaiden unvotes and backs off. The locktown thing is a joke, I’m aware, but this doesn’t feel real from either of them.