Owl House FM - Town wins!

[Multiverse]

Story’s ISO is, for a lack of better word, underwhelming

[Zorvo]

@Luka

Maybe later. I don’t want to iso them with the direct attempt to find reasons that they’re evil, that leads to heavy confirmation bias. I’ll iso them tonight and give my thoughts.

I didn’t ask you to do Bolded.
I asked you to make your own read on them.

[Zorvo]

I asked you to convince me on them sure.
But you don’t need to just deep dive for loose reasons.

[Zorvo]

@Luka

I’d say kiiruma town too unless both top wagons were wolf

So you think Kiiruma is likely wolves with Guava if Guava is a wolf?

[Zorvo]

@Multiverse

Yeah Kiiruma always town unless guava is also wolf (which I doubt) cause wolf probably doesn’t break the tie to kill their own teammate so close to eod

Ok so you share similar thoughts to that of Luka eh?

[Zorvo]

@Multiverse

So 1-2 wolves in Frost/Min/Story/Luka

Frost I think is my top town out of this

So 1-2 wolves in min/story/luka

Min had generally good posts yesterday and today (there was one post I didn’t like:

Min is town.
Trust me on this if your town.
And if your wolf I hope Luka convinces me to execute you today.

[Zorvo]

@Multiverse

Story’s ISO is, for a lack of better word, underwhelming

Yeah I think Story has wolf potential but they aren’t my main focus today.
You and Luka are.

[Zorvo]

@Multiverse

Plus everyone having Luka has wolf pings me that something’s wrong.

I mean a wolf was executed when lots were in favour of the execution.

[guavagudetama]

@Zorvo

So what do you think about his offensive comment towards me?

I think it was mean
I think he’s usually like that as town

@Zorvo

I don’t think people should blindly take orders or follow what I say but they should always hear me out on what I have to say.

literally

@Multiverse

Can you elaborate more on this? What agenda was I pushing?

lemme iso you cuz I could be insane but it felt like you were just pushing against Zorvo because you needed to push something to try and look like you were solving rather to solve the game

@Multiverse

Yikes hedgy post
Give your own opinion on Leafia rather than flipflopping

@Multiverse

Sounds like a skill issue

Anyway hedgy hedgy hedgy - either commit to it or don’t make it

these two posts almost seem like you’re trying to stop him from posting which is not good
and they also don’t feel like they really contribute anything they just kinda tell him what not to do

@Multiverse

This is a very bad reasoning
People should be voted on their degree of scumminess rather than “oh if they were town they would be more beneficial” because then you just let good wolves off the hook

Zorvo was saying that Leafia is more beneficial alive as town than Luka and Multi said that was bad reasoning
I don’t have anything to say about this rn I’m just noting it in case we flip Luka or Multi or Leafia

@Multiverse

Trying to pass gutread as actual read
Yikes

actually maybe you’re not pushing agenda
you’re not pushing anything
you kept making posts like this that do nothing but police Zorvo and it’s like “okay so you don’t like the way Zorvo is playing but do you actually have a read…?”

@Multiverse

Town

• min
• Millium
• Cape90
• Jarek

Null

• Luka

Wolflean

• Leafia

Wolf

• Zorvo

VOTE: Zorvo

you make this post and don’t explain anything?
it feels like you just pulled these reads out of your ass to look like you’ve been solving in the background

@Multiverse

The “I dont think reads in general are bad early game.” mentality imo is bad since easily fakable by wolf
My main issue is how hard you were defending it (i.e. snap voting cape for calling it out) when it did so little

this post and the post that followed were okay

@Multiverse

mean I’ve literally said I townread cape
But to elaborate I think vote was yikes because you think Cape’s behaviour is scummy because of your personal ideal (thinking that all serious read post in RVS is always a good thing (which I think is still a flawed mentality)) rather than actually finding his post as wolfy - you think that Leafeon is townie and Cape’s read on them was bad but never stated why you think Cape’s post came from wolf and thus justify your Cape vote

i.e. Your post doesn’t feel like you’re actually town scumhunting

except this part
this part feels like you you say that Luka doesn’t actually find posts wolfy but you haven’t really called anything wolfy yourself…?

@Multiverse

Yeah we should prolly choose a town consensus to receive the blood
Maybe once it’s 24 hours after day start so there’s more posts and everyone can get a better read on everyone else so we can have a town consensus

this post feels townie but it’s also regurgitated from Kiiruma iirc

@Multiverse

And yes - my wolfread on you is based on your hedgyness.

I find it hard to believe that this was the best you could find on anyone if you were actually looking
like… Zorvo is your top scum? for serious?
patron saint of not solving

@Multiverse

I meant like
Did so little by way of reads
Like the reads were weak and basic

this is an INSANE thing to say from your point of view
your reads have been incredibly weak.

@Multiverse

But why vote Cape? Why do you think he’s wolf? Do you think only wolves can push Leafeon in that position for the weak read? That no town could ever see Leafeon’s reads as potentially performative and vote them on it?

I do like this post
I cannot elaborate on why so it’s probably not a good read
but I do like it

@Multiverse

Why do you think them changing reads on me is townie when they gave no justification for said change in reads and simply switched to reading my slot as wolfie?

where have we seen no justification before?

@Multiverse

Town

• min
• Millium
• Cape90
• Jarek

Null

• Luka

Wolflean

• Leafia

Wolf

• Zorvo

VOTE: Zorvo

anyway

@Multiverse

Ok ok let’s recap because I think you’re not getting through to me and I don’t think I’m getting through to you and I’m getting kinda frustrated

You think Leafeon’s first post is townie because it is a serious post during RVS

Cape then votes Leafeon based on that post because they believe Leafeon’s reads were bad and potentially performative

You then vote Cape because you think that Cape’s vote on Leafeon was bad because you think Leafeon’s post was townie

And you think that Cape’s vote most likely comes from wolf rather than town

Is this all correct?

If so, why do you think Cape’s vote comes from wolf rather than town?

this post feels like tmi on Cape
it reminds me of how someone in my last game was leading people to the answer they knew was correct because they were scum
but like obviously you aren’t them

@Multiverse

Meh, worth a shot

I wish for a public role cop

this wish looks townie but it’s so obviously not going to happen that it looks like you’re just trying to get town points

@Multiverse

Giving titan’s blood to someone to suggested a good mech for a wish which we’ve no idea come from which side and no idea how it exactly works sounds like a flawed plan

@Multiverse

I mean it should be purely based on consensus townread

this actually is a townie idea I think

@Multiverse

Blocking players is against the rules right
Okay then I will just mentally ignore Zorvo for the rest of the game kthx

oh yeah this happened
this is never a townie thing to do

@Multiverse

eugh metareads
but fine, I think I’ve seen a few other people agree with the metaread so i’ll look elsewhere

UNVOTE

“eugh I can’t push out this person I don’t like on a bad read because people know his meta”
like your whole push on Zorvo has just really felt bad faith because he was being rude
which like full transparency I’ve been there
doesn’t make it feel anymore townie from an outside perspective

@Multiverse

Which is a bad reason to vote Leafia when there’s so many other good ones out there

I also don’t think they significantly mentioned Leafia’s slot outside of this (apart from commenting on wishgranter Leafia)

Feels like wolf hoping to join on Leafia ML
(I currently have Leafia as leantown because despite them having really bad posts the things they do are just ??? that I’m not sure it can come from a wolf + tone)

VOTE: IcetFeelsPain

if he was a wolf just hopping on the Leafia ML why wouldn’t he just regurgitate what the other people on the wagon are saying?
this isn’t even a wolfy post I just don’t think you’re right but I missed this before

@Multiverse

Millium (need to re-evaluate but i don’t have the energy to isodive them rn)

@Multiverse

Luka (Need to re-evaluate but i don’t have the energy to isodive them rn)

@Multiverse

Jarek (Need to re-evaluate but i don’t have the energy to isodive them rn)

(Millium was in TL Jarek and Luka were in Null)
don’t like this
it feels almost random because you don’t explain why Millium was TL in the first place, just that you need to reeval her
and then. I mean there aren’t really super good reasons for Null most of the time but the fact that they have the same tag as someone in TL doesn’t feel right

you have a dart board that looks like this:

I’m bored of ISOing you now
I think I have a better grasp on my read of you now
which is still bad but you weren’t really “pushing agenda” (bsfr I’m not 100% on the meaning of pushing agenda I don’t think I even used it correctly) as much as it didn’t feel like you were pushing much of anything and when you did it didn’t feel like it was really backed up by much

[guavagudetama]

it’s really hard to find a text colour that you can see on black red green and yellow so that image is kinda hard to read sorry

[Boiling_Isles]

Vote Count

Luka (4): Zorvo, Apocryphal, Kiiruma, Leafia
Kiiruma (1): ElizaThePsycho
Multiverse (1): guavagudetama

Not Voting (9): min, IcetFeelsPain, Jarek, Frostwolf103, Cape90, Millium, Luka, TodaysStory, Multiverse

[Multiverse]

@guavagudetama

these two posts almost seem like you’re trying to stop him from posting which is not good
and they also don’t feel like they really contribute anything they just kinda tell him what not to do

That’s just false - I was telling him to commit to a read rather than hedging between stuff because hedging ultimately contributes nothing to the game and is just an excuse for wolves to make posts that looks like they do stuff when they really do nothing

@guavagudetama

you kept making posts like this that do nothing but police Zorvo and it’s like “okay so you don’t like the way Zorvo is playing but do you actually have a read…?”

See: literally the post you quoted after this where I made reads and voted Zorvo. It’s also pretty self explanatory that “yikes” means “i dislike the post and think it probably comes from wolf”? I also had the cape townread you conveniently neglected to mention.

@guavagudetama

you make this post and don’t explain anything?
it feels like you just pulled these reads out of your ass to look like you’ve been solving in the background

That’s false if you actually read my ISO

Post where I mindmelded with min:

@Multiverse

Mindmeld on zorvo w → leafia w

Cape townread:

@Multiverse

Cape gets it
Cape townlean

I also had posts interacting with Luka but null there meant that I was still evaluating the slot

@guavagudetama

this part feels like you you say that Luka doesn’t actually find posts wolfy but you haven’t really called anything wolfy yourself…?

False
See: Zorvo

@guavagudetama

I find it hard to believe that this was the best you could find on anyone if you were actually looking
like… Zorvo is your top scum? for serious?
patron saint of not solving

Yes???
Hedgyness is wolfy and at that point all I saw from Zorvo were hedgy posts

@guavagudetama

this is an INSANE thing to say from your point of view
your reads have been incredibly weak.

Not only is this unfair because it was only post ~400 in the game
But it is also a strawman - you’re dodging the point I make to make another point separate from the point there - but also shading and false as I have had reads which imo were reasonable for that point in the game

@guavagudetama

this post feels like tmi on Cape
it reminds me of how someone in my last game was leading people to the answer they knew was correct because they were scum
but like obviously you aren’t them

I had and still do have Cape as town so I operate on town!Cape principles.

@guavagudetama

this wish looks townie but it’s so obviously not going to happen that it looks like you’re just trying to get town points

Ok mr. fun police
Wishes are all NAI and we all know it

@guavagudetama

oh yeah this happened
this is never a townie thing to do

While true I still stand by my point that if I didn’t do that and Zorvo carried on with the same posting style when interacting with me I would’ve just replaced out

@guavagudetama

“eugh I can’t push out this person I don’t like on a bad read because people know his meta”
like your whole push on Zorvo has just really felt bad faith because he was being rude
which like full transparency I’ve been there
doesn’t make it feel anymore townie from an outside perspective

While I admit that my zorvo read could’ve been biased due to him being rude

1. I had a legitimate case in him being hedgy
2. I do genuinely hate metareads because it’s something wolves can just use to defend their buddy and anyone who’s new basically can’t verify it without putting in a ton of work to backread other games

@guavagudetama

if he was a wolf just hopping on the Leafia ML why wouldn’t he just regurgitate what the other people on the wagon are saying?

That’s
A fair point
But then again if they’re town why is that their sole reason?

@guavagudetama

(Millium was in TL Jarek and Luka were in Null)
don’t like this
it feels almost random because you don’t explain why Millium was TL in the first place, just that you need to reeval her
and then. I mean there aren’t really super good reasons for Null most of the time but the fact that they have the same tag as someone in TL doesn’t feel right

Honestly Millium read were mostly vibes. I vaguely recall reading some of their posts and they were ok but I don’t recall specific posts

I mean “re-eval” tag just meant that this was what reads I had them for last I recall but that I no longer had confidence in those reads either due to recent posts or because it’s been a while

I’m also not sure what point you’re making here

@guavagudetama

you have a dart board that looks like this:

That’s very bad faith since you’re ignoring the, like, other half of my readlist with reasonings I gave

Honestly your entire read of me has just been cherry picking and bad faith

[Zorvo]

@guavagudetama

I think he’s usually like that as town

He’s done it more as town but he’s also been town more then wolf.
I think he has done it as wolf though as well.

@guavagudetama

lemme iso you cuz I could be insane but it felt like you were just pushing against Zorvo because you needed to push something to try and look like you were solving rather to solve the game

Yeah that’s kinda exactly how I felt at first as well but later Multiverse had a Townie behaviour towards me.

@guavagudetama

this is never a townie thing to do

Which is true but unfortunately instead of talking with me so I can make them feel more at ease and comfortable people resort to that sorta thing, sadly more of the time then not the player is a villager.

[Zorvo]

Sorry I just had to stop to count.

@Multiverse

That’s just false

@Multiverse

That’s false

@Multiverse

False

Ah ok it’s only 3 times but I found it funny you repeated the same word over and over again but 3 ain’t so bad I guess.
Let me actually go read the post now.

[Zorvo]

@Multiverse

hedging between stuff because hedging ultimately contributes nothing to the game and is just an excuse for wolves to make posts that looks like they do stuff when they really do nothing

Oh yes I can definitely vouch for this.
I remember Multi really loves those Hedges I made for them.

[min]

i mean

theres a slim chance apos wolf but im definitely not confident on it enough to kill her today lol

[Zorvo]

@Multiverse

contributes nothing to the game and is just an excuse for wolves to make posts that looks like they do stuff when they really do nothing

Btw I usually will share ALL my thoughts and yes sometimes it can be close to meaningless or like something that makes it so I don’t take actual action on something.
That’s true and that’s a fair reason to suspect someone but as you can now see I’ve definitely have taken action this game.
I still have those hedges though if you’re still interested, I’ll hook you up.

[min]

hi am back lel

[min]

@Multiverse

because Luka’s reasoning was NAI at best)

i disagree.

i believe luka would make up a reason as wolf that is much more believable hearing

[min]

i dont get why you disagreeing with me on this makes me a candidate for a wolf

but shrug