Alrighty. <3 I’ll try to condense my notes into one post so that I’m not CONSTANTLY pinging you. XD
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lol, this didn’t age well
Things that have changed since this post are 1.) I’m strongly townreading Min now, and 2.) I’m slightly sus of Marl now.
What makes this interaction interesting to me now is that Marl was the one who was casting sus on Min, and Hippo was defending Min. My individual reads on Marl and Elephant directly align with how they are reading my townread – Marl, my scumread, is casting sus on my Min, my townread, and Elephant, who I want to townread, is defending my townread. Furthermore, Elephant is casting shade on Marl, which is a good look in my eyes.
This is not AI by itself, but I love Hippo’s philosophy here. I think if he visibly follows it throughout D1 and D2, it might be a good starting point for a towncase on Hippo, or a scumcase if he actually DOESN’T follow it.
Snap read: Arctic and Milli are both town based on rule of 3 and Alana being the mafia in the 3.
Not really revealing for Arctic since I thiiiink he’s pretty much consensus town now, but I do recall people questioning Milli’s alignment.
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Again, more sus on Marl, though I don’t agree that Marl is trying to power wolf. As I had mentioned earlier in the thread, they feel waaaaay more laid back then when I’ve seen them as town. Like, Arctic in this game so far is closer to what I envision Marl being like, which is kiiiinda why I think Arctic is town in spite of me wanting to get him out of the game earlier. With Marl, on the other hand, I don’t feel like he’s been assertive at all, at least towards me.
What do you two think about Hippo’s roleclaim D1? He claimed an ability that is effective if people say nya a certain number of times, or something like that. The way he claimed (the timing of it and his reasoning for doing it, in particular) kinda seems towny? But, if it’s a mafia role, where negative things can happen if a person says nya a certain number of times (similar to JC’s role where if people swear in the thread a certain number of times, he dies), this might be him trying to convince people to nya for him.
On the other hand, Alana, who just flipped mafia, seems genuinely confused about the nya stuff. XD If Hippo’s role is real and if Hippo is mafia, I don’t think Alana would be confused about his role because wouldn’t mafia would have access to each other’s role cards? Or at least be able to share what they can do?
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who’s elephant?
fair enough
I’ll try to keep an eye on that when I read him
I think the lessened assertiveness is just a change in marl’s overall playstyle in general - while he’s known for his hard pushes as town (that are wrong at times), he was also very assertive in the last scum game I played against him
mmm
honestly could go either way
if anticlaim is a mechanic where you can lose it if used incorrectly then hippo’s fine cuz the claim’s vague enough
but if it’s not then it’s kinda risky to out so early, especially since the role should have some utility even if ppl don’t say nya
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very valid point
could be distancing but idt they’d start distancing this early
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what are your thoughts on the level of power in this setup?
at first I thought it was relatively low power given neighborizer isn’t as terribly strong, vulgard is really just a weaker medium + harder to find lw and jc’s role is antitown
but then town got an unlimited usage parity cop? and it seems like there’s a semi-janitor on the scum team?
so now I’m just confused
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Very good catch on min, actually. I think in the last game I saw Vulgard wolf in, min was his partner and their treatment of each other was different from in this game (granted, this game was a year ago so it’s been a while)
Oh no 
I didn’t even see you claim anything but I saw someone in the thread say you cc’d Alana so I guess you’re right, it’s not just a flavor-based anticlaim then.
I know for a fact that Wisdom said she would “copvig” JC on D1 so I went through like half the day assuming it was her kill lol. I thought that Wazza claimed D2 to have spamvigged JC for reaching postcount? But I’d hedge a bet she’s lying about it, and whether it’s an FPS or just a lie, idk tbh.
Someone said Alana slipped that there was a soup kill, and idk whether to assume both JC and Vulgard got caught in it or not. If so, wolves couldve caused multiple deaths, and if the whole soup thing was just a red herring then who knows. I still doubt JC was the intended target for a wolf kill since he capped his post limit and I somewhat suspect he fell under the category of “loud but wrong villager” - from a packwolf pov JC and Vulgard were v/v so I don’t think either of them were optimal kill targets for mafia. Vulgard ended D1 by voting Arete and pushing JC, JC ended by voting Arete and pushing Vulgard lol. So you could be right, we may have a missing kill.
He could’ve died for his reads but he hard wolfsided at EoD1 so I don’t think he would’ve been a priority? Idk though
Lol, I have to say this chat gave me sudden paranoia during the day phase that it was being used to hunt for the lost wolf. Idk if you guys saw but I asked at some point in the thread if anyone on D1 would have assumed I was the LW if they were a packwolf and knew that I was obviously not in the wolf chat, and at least Arctic said yes, he would’ve assumed it was me. The only reason I didn’t immediately jump on Squirrel for adding me here was because the LW having a medium role implies it’s more beneficial for Vulgard to attempt signalling in the main thread than in a hood, unless he happened to join a hood with at least one packwolf before dying. So it’s a bit of a convoluted thought.
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It’s funny, I would’ve expected Vulgard not to accidentally rule of 3 his partners but maybe he tried to signal and it failed. Millium accidentally going over his postcap and getting silenced doesn’t seem like a beneficial thing for a wolf to do, and I checked his last couple posts and they were definitely game relevant and not thread-derailing, so I also still think he’s town.
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The funny thing is that Marl’s play in this game somewhat resembles the game in which he was the LW and our packwolves just never managed to add him to the wolf chat before we all died lol. And by that, I mean he put in more effort on D1 that I generally don’t think he does as a wolf, but he was way less impressive during D2 and the fact that he is still pushing me is bizarre because if anything, he has a track record of townreading me incorrectly when I wolf, but never the other way around.
I think, given he posted a bunch of posts himself sticking “nya” into random words before vaguely claiming his role, it probably is a true claim? Tbh I thought it was some sort of conditional investigative (not the example he gave, obviously, but something else) but didn’t want to speculate publicly because if he’s town it’s just extra information that helps wolves, which isn’t good lol.
Considering it’s Hippo I do think he’s bold enough to outright ask people to do this if he’s mafia, but neither of the kills that night used “nya” in their posts afaik, unless Vulgard said it once or twice in a complaint about people doing so.
Oh yeah, I was gonna say his wolf play style changes depending on who the wolf team is and who he’s up against. He can be a very good wolf if he’s on a hype team, and tbh this entire playerlist is hype so it’s entirely possible he has a different strategy from his usual wolfgame. As Moonwink said, I think he’s more laid back in this game, but on the other hand he’s smart enough to feign detachment from the thread even when he has TMI and knows exactly what’s going on (saw him do it in his LW game after the rest of us died lol). So he isn’t powerwolfing here but he might have settled for middle ground in order to get himself widely but not completely townread if he has a partner or two who are set to go deeper. He did that in my last wolfgame as well, iirc. He was townread for half the game and then kind of dropped off because he wanted to set me up to go deeper, I accidentally attracted too much suspicion, and let him die to elimination because I was so indecisive and he wasn’t active in the wolfchat so I froze lol.
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I think some roles are fancy ways of calling them vanilla lol
Like I’m pretty sure Arete was basically a vanilla just for balance reasons, I suspected it when I saw their flip and I mentioned in the thread once or twice, and then after seeing a parity cop flip and a watcher claim I think I’m probably right
At the very least I would think the alignment cop was either wolf for the purpose of finding the LW, or some neutral. No idea if we have neutrals but I kinda suspect there might be one. Someone said the host confirmed there are no serial killers but I didn’t see that anywhere in the OP, so I’m not sure if thats true?
Wait, I just realized - is the vanillizer a day or instant ability? Because you were still a PR until sometime after night start, right?