Paradox Hazard - GAME OVER - MAFIA VICTORY!

[Memekingpizza]

I might as well give a bit of reasoning to why im VOTE: Hazard its simply just gut feeling yknow. I can see why killing off frost in this vote to see what they flip and basing on what they flip we can either legacy vote or aim for a pair. But based on what i can read with my limited interactions with all of you. I can see them to be an innocent person. If i see them as innocent i dont want to waste an inno’s life im going try and vote where it saves them indirectly if they choose to do and if im wrong uhhhhh wasnt me.

[Memekingpizza]

I can see why people prefer the website on computer than phone.

[ash4fun]

catchup time again

@eaves

Look—it’s easy. We have plenty of time. I want you to do something towny. Make reads. Advance the game. Anything. I’m not 100% sure on you because I am town, so you should do something about this wagon if you are too

echos my thoughts

@Frostwolf103

Does voting count as mech play?

ngl this is genius for engaging memeking.

However, you’re also asking us to pre-flip you V, and idk how I feel about that

@Frostwolf103

I am not confident about townreading Bystander like he’s yes-man, I feel he need to be resolved in some another day.

I appreciate the response. I’ll admit, I was hoping to see you convince yourself one way or another. I was hoping to rule out some combination (w/w, w/v, v/w) between you two, and/or see a line of progression, but I don’t think I can really do that.

@Ash

Ok, I’m lazy, so I’m scrapping the Excel sheet. Here’re my thoughts:

@Ash

[ash4fun] because they’re messing around

this readslist isn’t giving towny equity imo. I feel like there’s a bunch of weird reads (esp. marluna), and the scale (6 town, 4 null, 1 scum) seems off too. Also, I would hope that there’s enough non-janitor content in my post history for you to make a better read than this.

@bystander

their scumread on me is nonsensical

omgus wins

ok omguser. idk what to make of this, if it lasts to eod, it’s probably v or w/w with frost.

@bystander

even if they were town theyd be making that up

ok im defensive

and hows that make me a wolf

some people think some random adjective is just a word they can throw around which directly equals wolf

nah

and defensive is one of those

I feel like bystander v is getting more possible, but not more probable here, if that makes sense?

@Frostwolf103

VOTE: Hazardwaste

I propose in making this as counter-wagon.

I think I’m gonna give this a hard no. I think I started my catchup at the wrong spot, did some reading-but-not-posting last night before bed and post-mental-break hazard looks a lot better. Still a scumlean, but not one I want out today. I would vote for frost/bystander/ash wagons today, but it looks like others probably nix the bystander one. So I’d say frost/ash wagons.

@Memekingpizza

Okay. Lets say you are town and say a voter is a part of the mafia. They are on the wagon since there are no others wanting to but none are getting traction so when time ticks down the greedy players that dont want to die will hop on it. Majority would be town against a town and mafia didnt need to do much. Lets say all voters are town mafia doesnt need to jump on it now but will wait later to jump on it so it makes the later voters suspicious if you are the one pushed out of the vote count stays the same. But at the same coin time zones + doing other stuff messes with that but it still points them as sus if you are town and the orginal voters are also town. Let’s say you are mafia i believe in this early stage voting against your teamates isnt good unless you know they will get suddenly flipped off which ever the case the orginal voters look innocent. (This is only answering part 1 of 2 of the question posed)

(this is giving my proofs class flashbacks and my brain is refusing to process it. “Suppose X is a set composed of elements of A, and suppose that every element of A has an inverse in B…” shudders)

@Frostwolf103

Ash, Hazardwaste and Marluna remains rotten between the three

this feels like rule of three on my top wagons for today

@tutuu

If Frost is wolf and Ash is his partner his (Ash’s) wolf strategy was to relax and chill and null townread his dying partner without a care in the world it just doesn’t look very partnery to me

Honestly, nullreading partner is exactly what I would expect. Allows ash to cfd elsewhere, but also wagon and say they had an inkling all along.

[ash4fun]

As I mentioned above, I think the wagons for today should be ash/frost. As I think ash has somewhat more scum equity, I will

VOTE: Ash

[Frostwolf103]

@ash4fun

As I mentioned above, I think the wagons for today should be ash/frost. As I think ash has somewhat more scum equity, I will

VOTE: Ash

Fair enough, I am happy with my vote.

[ash4fun]

Also,

Frost is at maj-2. Do not put any player at maj-1 until 1hr before eod, without explicit consensus from towncore.

[Frostwolf103]

I am curious what Ash will do now.

[ash4fun]

presumably vote a counter-wagon
…oh, I see what you mean.

Unless you won’t be on at EoD, just write [intent to vote X] if voting them would put them at maj-1. If you won’t be on, idk ask someone else on the wagon to unvote first?

[Chloe]

Well if i were u i would definitely go for ash over hazard here and if u do think this is true i think you’re more likely to find people supporting an ash wagon

[Chloe]

Bleh
Blehblehbleh

[Frostwolf103]

This can end in several ways:

1. Ash proves innocent that between me and Ash themselves are t/t wagons by voting Hazard
2. I vote Ash definitely when they vote me and put me at Maj-1
3. Ash votes his own teammate to save themselves by voting Hazard as t/w.

[Chloe]

@ash4fun

I feel like bystander v is getting more possible, but not more probable here, if that makes sense?

Ngl this doesn’t make sense to me can you expand on it lol

[Chloe]

Completely ok with either of frost or ash dying today
I think the two of them always contains at least one wolf
This isnt specifically an association read, i just find both of them wolfy lol

Hazard wagon is bleh imo
I think his posting has gotten better
I find it odd that frost is voting hazard over ash when imo ash should be more wolfy from his pov??

[Frostwolf103]

@Chloe

Completely ok with either of frost or ash dying today
I think the two of them always contains at least one wolf
This isnt specifically an association read, i just find both of them wolfy lol

Hazard wagon is bleh imo
I think his posting has gotten better
I find it odd that frost is voting hazard over ash when imo ash should be more wolfy from his pov??

Ash votes me, they are dead to me. To me I think both Hazard and Ash are both mafia.

[Chloe]

But why vote hazard over ash here if you think both are mafia
That’s the part im not understanding

[Frostwolf103]

@Chloe

But why vote hazard over ash here if you think both are mafia
That’s the part im not understanding

Because I read Hazard is trying to distance from Ash. Read my PoE post and you will understand at least where I am going with this.

[Frostwolf103]

I am not objecting those who vote Ash specifically, if they believe thats the right thing to do, that’s fine by me.

[Chloe]

Thats why im asking you i DID read over your posts, and im still confused

@Frostwolf103

I am not objecting those who vote Ash specifically, if they believe thats the right thing to do, that’s fine by me.

Alright

[Frostwolf103]

Ash is townreading me, so it shouldn’t be hard choice for them.

[Chloe]

This is understandable, okay
I get what you’re getting at