Plants Mountainous Poison - Day 8 (1/16) - Wolf Win

See?
You are doing same thing again.

“You’re pretending you didn’t know about it”.

You still don’t consider me knowing about it, yet apparently you did read me to see if it chagnes your mind.

So I’m going to say “You are only pretending to read me”, but in reality know I won’t stop going against you.
And so do I.

perhaps you’re right there considering im listening to him a bit

honestly i think the only wagons we should see today are
hydra
brad
eevee
wind

eevee/wind cause “thunderdome” and also probably exposes a wolf if wrong
hydra cause he survived poison and has seemed forced
brad cause CW two days in a row for info

i don’t see any other reasoning for wagons really

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Let me just say that not knowing wolves have fake claims is the dumbest fake slip ever
What game have you played on FoL where scum didn’t get fake claims?

oh fun fact my flavor can actually be a canon warrior cats name

On top of my head?

Enemy within 4.

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And were the flavors in that game alignment indicative?

Yes.

Huh. Well then, you win this one.

Sigh.

People. This time I’m not asking. This time I’m begging for reevaluation.

2 misslynches in a row.
Incredibly split playerbase.
Gorta being poisoned.
Lack of any solid leadership.

Please… reevaluate.
Go back, look at the EoD. Look at players choices.
Don’t be okay with thread just burning and say “it’s okay”.

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Like… look, why do you think none of my ideas gets any support?
Why do you think they are instantly discredited?

WA wagon never really formed, and instead it went to “3-way w/w/w wagon” (except it wasn’t w/w/w).
Noone joined on idea to form a solid cooperation around poisoned person either, and isntead discredited it as “trying to blame Gorta” and “Gorta is bad”.
Noone even tried to work with cnfirmed town or convince to own reads, just discredited them.

Please… reevaluate.

Becouse right now I’m trying to change gameflow alone and clearly losing.
Several people are attacking my ideas and discrediting them, meanwhile support is non-existant.
Like… best some people did was say “eevee town”. But pretty much none of them followed after me.

I lack any kind of support in this game. And call of strategy change comes from person you elected as “best strategical player”.
So stop argueing, fighting over own vision and please, cooperate. Please, reevaluate.

This game is burning.
And without roles in it, I cannot change it’s state alone.

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For all those who plaied with me before - if someone asked you before game “who would win eevee vs Windward thunderome”, what would you answer?

And if answer is me, or even if anawer is equal, then why am I in such defensive here with thread being set against my ideas?

Does this thread situation seem correct to you?
Does it seem like “3 steps ahead of town eevee”?

Step out of the micro reads box.
This thread is burning, just look at the bigger picture.

It’s not like people have been ignoring your push on me; you’re just making it out to seem as if they are. People listened enough to wagon me, however brief, so if you’re going to argue that you have no credibility you’re entire wrong or lying.

Oh no, you are not getting back to micro level narration with that.

@People think - was the general thread narration equal in both cases?
Or did one of those get much harder resistance?

I’m asking both about WA and “follow the poisoned” ideas.

Both of this ideas take power from the wolves.
Both of them were resisted. Even the people against them are pretty much the same in both cases.

Town, think. Does this situation in big picture seem correct to you?
Don’t focus on micro narration WA is making. Think outside of the box. Think of the game thread.

You’ve spent quite a while complaining that I don’t do anything useful and that I don’t try to convince anyone of my reads.

At this point I’ve asked others what they thought about your push on me, I got answers, and it still feels way more likely I’d get voted before you.

First off, I joined this game because I wanted to learn to read better without heavily relying on mechanics. And considering how the last mountainous game went for me, my reads in mountainous are generally ass. I pushed my reads hard in that game and aggressively yeeted only villagers, never wolves.

In this game, we haven’t gotten a single wolf flip. I pushed Brad (???), I pushed Frog (town), I pushed Ivy (town), I’m pushing you (???).

I don’t know if I’ve been right or wrong on Brad but I think the way everyone else has been handling him is kind of telling. He’s been the focus of the thread for three days now, and nobody seems to mind that. All of us have wanted to keep the focus on him, which makes me think the wolves also want focus on him. You fit the bill perfectly because you’re only on him since you offered to follow Gorta’s lead, and I think it’s an easy setup that you can do as a wolf.

I have absolutely no right to aggressively push my reads in this game because after Shortnight 2 (and more recently in DAC where I was completely wrong until MyLo) I have this fear that I could be wrong, and that not only will I be responsible for leading the town into yeeting ourselves off a cliff, but as a result, I could easily be the last miselimination needed for wolves to win in XyLo. And I really don’t want that happening.

So what I can do is create discussion, talk with people about their reads, and learn to actually play correctly instead of being extremely loud and extremely wrong. I’m not posting shit just to look productive. I’m posting shit so you can follow my thought processes and see where my ideas come from.

If you’re town, I’m asking you to step back and reconsider my slot.

And if you’re a wolf like I think you are, well, have at it and I’ll laugh at you in dead chat.
You probably think you’ll get away with it, nobody will even push you for it, and you’ll endgame. It’s extremely hard to ML me as town and I’m betting that’s exactly why you’re doing this - because you’re the only one who would have the guts to push on me and think you can actually get me voted out.

So, if you guys vote me out, it’s your loss. But at this point I’m fine with flipping if you’ll actually look into eevee after. It doesn’t seem like I’m winning the battle of who’s more convincing so I’ll go hard or go home.

I’d be more likely to support you if you commented on my Kii read.

my whole point was to consider flipping one then the other if first is town

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i still want everyone’s thoughts on if this is tvw like i think it is btw

and @eevee one more time are you 100% sure wind is scum
will you stake a possible two mislynches in a row on it if you’re wrong?

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13 players alive = 9v4
Gorta dies + if we ML today = 7v4
Someone else dies + if we ML tomorrow = 5v4
So 2 MLs puts us in MyLo
Hmm

On second thought I’m not sure I want to stake that
I want to, but it’s completely stupid if I’m wrong
What I could do, however, is ignore eevee for now and focus on everyone else
I can still thunderdome eevee and spend my energy reading other slots instead of arguing with him, and at least if I flip I’ll have a better legacy than just “yeet eevee”
Which tbh will probably be in my legacy anyway, but there are slots I haven’t really looked into much and that’s entirely my responsibility

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