/vote Wazza @Host_Account_2
Day 8 Vote Count
| Vote Target | Voted By | Votes |
|---|---|---|
| WindwardAway | Wazza | 1/2 |
| Wazza | WindwardAway | 1/2 |
| Not Voting | Solic | 1 |
Votes are locked.
Iâm aware this is the perfect paranoia setup where thereâs a high chance youâre going to try to convince Solic to vote me just because Iâm alive and not poisoned, and unfortunately I canât do much about that
Itâs funny how youâre entering the thread directly questioning me in a way to subservantly grab Solicâs attention, you have no reason to try and convince me here, just Solic so why would you even come in here questioning me?
Yes you did, Iâd grab it but then thatâs going through 1.25k posts and I have better things to do with my time
This is an excuse, I didnât come in here not expecting either Solic or Wind to be poisoned, I just didnât expect myself to be poisoned which I wasnât, you can expect literally any scenario and then play to it, stop acting like even a town wouldnât think about it.
Iâm also alive, Iâm also not poisoned, the same could easily be said back to you
Iâm going to refute your points one by one.
Yeah, and you did revote Eli, and I revote Brad. So what difference does this make? I told you I didnât want a Gorta CFD and all it was doing was splitting the votes.
Because I fucking said for ages that I was personally not voting Eli or Gorta, why is that so surprising? I stated it multiple times and the last time I brought this up you said you didnât actually read my posts.
This is true, yeah, I donât have a counterpoint to it.
This is completely ridiculous because I couldnât predict that Brad was going to hop in and hammer. If I had wanted to save Brad, I wouldâve let Brad save himself and not moved my vote. It looks terrible, which is exactly the reason I wouldnât do it as scum.
The momentum was still on me at that point. I was pushing for eevee but if you look at the thread as a whole there was a sizeable wagon piled on me that day before the Brad one reemerged, and most people said theyâd vote either Brad or me, and not eevee.
Wtf, the only reason I refused to vote eevee was because I thought we were waiting for eevee to say something first and leave a legacy or something if he wanted to. I thought it was unfair to not consider that since I was the only one who had been saying eevee was scum since he started his push on me, and in case he flipped town and people went after me instead, it would be good to have something else from him. ~Apparently that was not the case so whatever, it didnât matter.~~ I hammered when Marl said I should hammer, so if youâre going to push me for hammering scum on the advice of more scum, then be my guest.
I could literally say the same for you. I didnât even notice this until you pointed it out, so Iâm assuming thatâs why you poisoned Solic?
Leafia wanted me dead because she was sheeping my read that you were town. You know how incredibly backwards that is??
Yeah but youâre not the one that people have been saying to kill with fire if theyâre alive in LyLo
Because I want to know your reasons, out of curiosity. If you meant to ask why I didnât just come in and wallpost all the reasons why youâre scum, itâs because I didnât fucking think you were scum coming into today.
Did I? Itâs possible I said it would get people off my back but I knew it was never a hard clear, considering everyone said they thought it was either T/W or W/W. I wouldnât have wasted my energy fighting eevee for that long as a wolf; I wouldâve let him bus me and endgame because he is a far better player.
Conveniently for you, you can now just loop back to the reasoning you were using to push me as scum then.
Unlike you, I was thinking Iâd be poisoned or that youâd be poisoned. If you were poisoned it wouldâve been an easy solve on my end. Heck, itâs still an easy solve but not the one I anticipated. But I thought if I got poisoned and it was between Solic and you, then Iâd have a lot of work ahead of me.
yeah, Iâll read everything ofc.
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Could you also both towncase yourself?
Well now that will still be helpful.
Iâm not towncasing myself, I literally donât know what to point out about myself that comes from Town
I slept way too late today ._.
so hereâs what sticks out in Wazzaâs ISO:
this aged well
this was Wazzaâs response to me asking the_worst why they were getting cold feet on w!Brad. She had no reason to answer this since the question wasnât directed at her.
The biggest problem with Wazzaâs case on Gorta was that she was pushing Gorta for being⌠Gorta. This is what he does in pretty much all of his town games. Itâs not scum meta, at the very least, but itâs a very easy thing for a wolf to push on in a game where not everyoneâs familiar with Gortaâs meta.
someone mentioned looking for TMI on the poisoned slots⌠well, hereâs your evidence 
this is blatant misrepresentation. Unlike Wazza I didnât expect or want a CFD on D1, so of course nobody wouldâve followed my vote on her.
I realize itâs stupid to continue quoting posts from Wazza when Solic already did a lot of this yesterday, so Iâll just summarize what Iâm seeing instead
Reasons Wazza is scum:
Wazza kept up her townread on Brad while still saying she wanted him dead for info, but used every opportunity she could get to push me for how I was handling Bradâs slot. She also kept pushing that eevee/I were w/w, denying a clear on me after eeveeâs flip so Iâd still be within yeet range. Sheâs been pushing Solic since D1 probably as a planned misyeet but he just never flipped lol. Something I noticed now is that she picked some really trivial things to justify her scumreads with - scumreading Gorta for not giving explanations for his reads, scumreading me for voting her because I disliked her suggestion to CFD to Gorta, etc. She also started suggesting a wagon on beancat instead of hammering Marl.
Reasons Iâm town:
Because I wouldnât just plow through all of my partners in a row and somehow think that was going to guarantee a wolf win. Iâve learned by now that when my reads are accurate and I donât die, I get wolfread, so itâs basically a death sentence for me to be alive in LyLo because it always defaults to getting suspected. Diamond Arc Crossing FM is a good example of this (not a good example of accurate reads, but of me getting late-game heat) - I cleared myself there with a suicide bomb gambit but I canât do that here lol.
Another reason Iâm town is because I havenât set up for this at all. I made a wrong assumption on whoâd be poisoned and was still townreading Wazza yesterday off the Brad and eevee stuff. If w!me had wanted to push t!Wazza I wouldâve let her flip when she was less invested in defending herself, instead of what ended up being a Marl yeet. I wouldâve had literally no reason to save a town slot since it wouldâve given wolves a needed misyeet to go into XyLo earlier, and it wouldâve kept Marl in the game as well. And even if we ignore all that and assume Iâm a wolf who wanted to bring Wazza into LyLo despite her literally saying sheâd probably vote me out in f3, why then wouldnât I have continued to build a case on her this entire time, instead of doing the opposite?
Also, I wouldâve just voted Solic out yesterday and continued to say it was because I scumread him. I gain nothing as a wolf by wavering on what couldâve been a guaranteed misyeet on a consensus scumread slot.
Idk if you have the time to look through any of these, but Iâm sharing past games just in case you want my most recent meta or something.
Most recent scumgames:
Most recent towngame:
(the previous towngame to this was on old FoL from back in October, I think)
ngl this post has been sitting in my drafts all afternoon so Iâm just posting it now because Iâm tired of having to constantly put effort into this game when I was hoping Iâd just die way earlier
ping me with questions, rebuttals, whatever, Iâll get to them tonight or else after work tomorrow before EoD unless the game is over by then
how are you even able to point out reasons why youâre town in a reasonable manor I canât even do it as either alignment
will read your posts later, not at my PC
i actually felt motivated to towncase myself this time
usually i donât tbh
easier when youâre not outed scum for once 
This is a complete lie, read throughout the entire day I kept saying how I wanted to push on you but I never voted you from the moment I decided to move onto Brad, the only time I remember doing this was D2 where I felt Brad wasnât a feasible wagon anymore at the rate it was going
This is also a lie if you take one peek into my ISO as you can clearly see I only said that you and Eevee can be W/W in response to you saying that Eeveeâs flip will make you Town, I also never wanted to kill Eevee until D5 when I wasnât even involved in the thread due to the quickhammer on him, why would I claim you two are W/W when I was confident on Eevee being Town apart from the potential that heâs the only one who can realistically think of the poisons? I wasnât pushing that narrative at all, youâre just taking my words and using them to your advantage.
No I havenât?? Iâm the one who wanted to save him D1 if you recall, eventually I did want him killed but that was mostly D7 because I felt if one of us was alive for LyLo then we were screwed, I had my chance to kill him D2 but chose not too
Okay now this is riddled with holes, my Gorta push was based purely on the fact that he didnât give explanation to his reads and all in all didnât act townily based on when I read him, I still thought he was scum until he was poisoined, I scumread you for voting me randomly at EOD1 which makes no sense if you were desperate for Eli to survive and clearly that was correct and as for the beancat thing, I suggested we look into beancat and that I was getting coldfeet on Marl but I never even attempted to push on beancat and even stated that I refuse to vote them, I was pushing on both beancat and Marl before I even talked about beancat, if I was W/W with Marl why wouldnât I just hammer Marl as a wolf? Like there was no reason for me to let him die without my vote on it when I could easily use it to my advantage later on, your point here makes absolutely no sense.
You didnât though at all.
You saved Brad twice, D2 and D3 and you knew yourself if you didnât vote them D4 you were screwed.
You didnât even want to vote Eevee D5 whatsoever until you were pressured by everyone else, you and Marl were avoiding going onto it until they pressured for a quickhammer.
You had no involvement whatsoever in pushing on Marl
Thatâs why Eevee was pushing on you and trying to convince people so heavily to push on you. You were bus potential, a good one at that and it would give credit to Eevee on being Town afterwards, even further onto this this is the exact reason you didnât want to kill Marl, you were borderline LyLo and if you killed someone other than yourself or Marl you would be in LyLo and if you were going to be flipped chances are Marl would vote you and be seen as town to everyone to guarantee a win for wolves, this is more than likely the reason you didnât have any involvement on his wagon, you didnât even talk about his slot during that day if I recall
Not at all, if you had entered this day fighting against Leafia or Solic you more than likely wouldâve lost, you needed me alive as out of everyone here, Iâm the most likely youâre able to kill, better yet t!you wouldâve let me die and weâve seen this in previous games, youâve never randomly defended me for no reason when I was a wagon, youâve always stayed out of it while pushing a counterwagon instead, but you got directly involved in this one
You had literally no way to know it would end up being a Marl yeet, furthermore onto this you didnât save me on that day, you saved me yesterday, a day where Marl wasnât even alive, you had no involvement in his wagon and chances are you wouldâve preferred someone else die someone like Leafia because in LyLo itâs extremely easy for Solic to vote me, which brings me onto my other points:
Iâm an easy mislynch in LyLo, all you would have to do to prevent me from having any weight or pressure onto you with me voting you out is for you to just not poison me, that why Iâm not poisoned here, thatâs why you had to poison Solic because you though Iâd vote you in LyLo, funnily enough, I probably wouldnât have, but that doesnât matter since you didnât poison me. You didnât build a case on me because you didnât need too, if Iâm wolf, why didnât I do that then? The same can still be said, you were absolutely confident I was wolf and then you suddenly changed your mind on it with some bullshit excuse of âBrad spewed us townâ, even I knew it was a dumb af read yet I thought nothing off it.
Look at the situation here, yesterday you had to kill one of these:
- Solic
- Leafia
- Me
Out of these players the hardest one to fight against in LyLo is Leafia, the easiest is me, instead of doing that you decided to put in no involvement whatsoever against Leafia because you knew I wouldnât vote you as I had no reason too and Solic wouldnât be convinced otherwise.
Also, small question since you want to talk about you dying in LyLo so much, why would I be the wolf to go into LyLo, Iâve won in LyLo before but between me and Marl, Iâm not a good one to choose, so out of us both why would I bring up the fact that we could potentially push on Marl instead as I felt nobody was looking into his slot, why didnât I just let myself die to let Marl go further, why didnât I get Marl to bus me?
And to add even more onto this whole thing, basically every single poisoned player has said this sort of stuff about my slot:
[Worst didnât think I was scum, Worst thought I was Town]:
Further from our poisoned friends:
[lol also thought that Wind and Eevee could easily be W/W]:
[Chili also thought I was Town but that came after ages]:
You really think I survive to F3 with basically every player wanting me dead? Why do you think I wanted to die so badly yesterday in the case Solic didnât die?
Hell further questions to question why I would do any of this as wolf, why would I come into today and poison Solic? You were hellbently convinced on me being Town to the degree that you let Leafia die out of confidence of it, I couldâve just poisoned you, voted Solic and used my push from the day before, it makes absolutely no sense for me to even poison Solic in any world whatsoever and it made no sense for you either but like you stated earlier you were confident I would vote you if it came down to this.
@Solic Iâd like you to think about this and think about what everyone has said, not just me, the dead town as well, read Windâs interactions with Eevee as well if you can, like I said at the time it was such a suspicious argument for no reason, both of them seemed extremely confident on the other being flipped wolf and both of them cared more about how they looked town afterwards, I tried my best to do what you want so I want you to try your best as well
Yeah Iâm not interpreting this one way or another. I can also see reasons that you would want your other 3 scumbuds to look good at possibly your own expense. This also brought you in better graces with me.
Yeah, this was super weird.
Eeeh, idk progression wise they would just never go anywhere else. Especially, since they had the 2 poisons, so donât know who to sheep thing going on.
I did notice they are the last 2 votes and it fits in with my Marl would never have done this if the other scum would also not be there theory, but idk how much stock I want to put in that.
I feel increasingly more stupid with having swapped back to Leafia. I probably need to keep concise notes somewhere to remind myself of what I thought before. Note to self for potential future games. Might as well do it here now actually. Classcard time.
Thatâs not true, I had you as one of my highest townreads at one point of the game.
I hate this, because you did this to me yesterday. 
Yea, I guess by timestamp it doesnât look pretyped. I was also too lazy to do anything without knowing who would be scum before me, so Iâd expect other players to also not do this.
Uhh, disagree. You havenât really been overwhelmingly townie to the majority of the thread in my opinion.
Iâm not sure if I can use this or even if it would be accurate, but there was discord disturbance at that EoD, so it might have been a scumchat malfunction Itâs still just weird. Iâll reread some parts of the game, but in my memory that was like wtf.
I think youâre attributing way too much blame on Marl here.
Well yeah, but you have played a more active role in the game than Wazza thus far.
Itâs Leafia. 
Itâs Leafia. Nah I could have seen multiple people say this.
Can you tell me what explanation you have for Brad appealing to Wazza, since thatâs why you townread them earlier right?
You didnât plow through Marl though. That was 3 vote strong already I think. You were one of the strongest scum members that had enough thread presence to make it far, so obviously youâd propel yourself over a slot like Brad.
I donât think you had much influence on who was brought to Lylo yesterday.
Hmm, but Leafia might be more prone to tinfoil you.
Yeah, but another town still flipped, soâŚ
Uhh I should probably read that bit again.
Oh, I thought it actually was setup up for eevee to go over, not the other way around, because of activity constraints. This is in a Wind scum world only though.
I donât really follow this logic. Probably because it mentions some previous games.
I mean⌠is it? Yesterday I said you were around equalish to me, which makes this even more grueling.
I think youâre overselling one throw away post on Marl when during that day I think you wanted to investigate everyone except Leafia from memory.
I expect eevee to be supremely confident, but I agree that it was weird that WWA expressed similar confidence. Especially after conceding some points to eevee. I will definitely reread that part.