Plants Mountainous Poison - Day 8 (1/16) - Wolf Win

[Solic]

@WindwardAway

I think I feel most comfortable with Brad flipping today, but I do think the wagon is a little iffy because it’s sizably larger than any other wagon and has been for a while now

so I’m not gonna add my vote there unless we want to hammer, but I don’t want to hammer in the middle of a discussion

and it looks like some people still prefer other options so I’m all ears if you have good reasoning

It’s weird to me how you have most posts, but show so little direction of the wagon here.

[2Wolves1Hydra]

Yeah but I do have a response anyway.
This is Kiiruma (and supposedly Wolfy) but only Kiiruma for now.

[Frog]

@WindwardAway

doesn’t mean they can’t feel certain

ehhhhh, I think that’s falling into your ownmind trap, but is it possible and something town players do? Yes, not good ones, but yes I do see it with certain types of players.

@WindwardAway

you can’t tell me that you have no ego when playing

I do get emotionally invested into the game after spending a lot of mental energy collaborating with others, but I’m not playing to be recognized, and I don’t take it personally as long as it’s within the bounds of game. If it ventures outside of the bounds of the game, I’ll just choose to stop interaction there, but it’s more for mental health, not for ego.

@WindwardAway

That is called having an ego

So you’re saying that because I am pointing out flawed behavior in others, it must mean that I view myself as superior, and I’m doing this based on ego. I think that’s an interesting take

I don’t know, maybe there is some truth to this. I don’t think I’m really better than anyone else here, but I do know that I don’t like certain types of play. I admit I sometimes fall into certain types of play I don’t like, and for that I can be a hypocrite. I would accept someone telling me when I’m doing such a thing tbh.

Would you like me to not call out ego tunnel players?

@WindwardAway

I don’t know why you haven’t said anything of the sort about his slot

I have though, haven’t I?

@WindwardAway

It implies you’re the one who knows Gorta is town, too

This is an aceptable take, it’s not right, but I accept it

@WindwardAway

Probably feels pretty shitty, doesn’t it?

I think you’re doing this out of spite, but if yo actually believe it, I will accept it tbh

It’s part of the game, just be real about your takes, no need to be facetious

Just like there’s no need to be super tunnely tbh

It just makes the game better

@WindwardAway

So I hope this post answers all your qualms about why I’m calling you out for being a hypocrite. I already know I am also one, but the difference is that I admit to it.

It does a bit, thanks Windward

[Leafia]

@2Wolves1Hydra

On top of this, this post was clearly discussed to be made in the mafia chat.

Because it’s so obviously out of place and I don’t know how you cannot point this out, unless you’re wanting for us to overlook it.

You do realize that post is yours, right?

[Frog]

@Leafia

Your play is almost the exact same as last game in my eyes. I don’t know how you could possibly think that it’s different.

When we wolfed together I focused on pocketing X amount of players, playing forward player interactions, and getting players to focus in certain directions.

I am pocketing no one, am basically completely lost trying to solve people instead of pushing people towards places, and I have no idea whats happening next

I am nothing at all ike last game. At all

[2Wolves1Hydra]

Leaf, buddy, pal, my slight nightmare and friend…
Please look what post I replied to and what context the ‘this post was clearly discussed’ would link to

[WindwardAway]

@Solic

@WindwardAway

I think I feel most comfortable with Brad flipping today, but I do think the wagon is a little iffy because it’s sizably larger than any other wagon and has been for a while now

so I’m not gonna add my vote there unless we want to hammer, but I don’t want to hammer in the middle of a discussion

and it looks like some people still prefer other options so I’m all ears if you have good reasoning

It’s weird to me how you have most posts, but show so little direction of the wagon here.

I want Brad out today but it looked like there was going to be a dogpile on him earlier so I didn’t want to put him too close to hammer

[Solic]

Could you summarize why you’d want him out today?

[Leafia]

I can say this at least. There’s no way that Frog and TW are w/w.

[Leafia]

I agree. Drop this right now you two. You’re not helping the villagers at all.

[Marluxion]

Brad

[Frog]

@WindwardAway

if only everyone became innocent children just by repeating that they’re obvious town
wouldn’t that be an easy game solve

I am obviously not aligned with anyone

I don’t have any objective in my play, I’m playing with EVERYONE

I am giving everyone a fair shake engaging in real good faith dialogue

What I’m posting is real, not something manufactured to be gobbled up and palatable

I am the most obvious Townie bar none tbh

[Marluxion]

I fat fingered the send button too early

[WindwardAway]

@Frog

@WindwardAway

That is called having an ego

So you’re saying that because I am pointing out flawed behavior in others, it must mean that I view myself as superior, and I’m doing this based on ego. I think that’s an interesting take

I don’t know, maybe there is some truth to this. I don’t think I’m really better than anyone else here, but I do know that I don’t like certain types of play. I admit I sometimes fall into certain types of play I don’t like, and for that I can be a hypocrite. I would accept someone telling me when I’m doing such a thing tbh.

Would you like me to not call out ego tunnel players?

I don’t think you have to stop calling out ego tunnel players, but I don’t think you need to imply their reads are automatically going to be bad. Of course they can still be right but fall into a tunnel where their reasoning becomes bad, even if the original read was correct, and I do agree that’s when they (including myself) need to step back and reevaluate, or at least sort through which parts of their read are purely confbias and which was the original reason for it. But even good players with good reasoning can fall into a tunnel of confirmation bias once they feel certain they’re on the right track, and it doesn’t make them all-around bad players.

[2Wolves1Hydra]

@2Wolves1Hydra

That post was a while after I had already pointed out how horrendous their things on Eli and Gorta were.

They had not unvoted, not like tried to reason out what might be logical to go for.
Instead kept their vote and left the situation as is.

There was no town motivation behind the post except from it being a signposter ‘UwU I’m so innocent, someone help little ol’ me because I can’t do much right now’

They didn’t know where to go because they’ve been flat on their face the entire f’ing game

@2Wolves1Hydra

On top of this, this post was clearly discussed to be made in the mafia chat.

Because it’s so obviously out of place and I don’t know how you cannot point this out, unless you’re wanting for us to overlook it.

Go to my first post in this quote list, see what the big chunk was in reply to.
Add the 2nd part.

And you can then see where I was going with it.
It wasn’t just me saying ‘I’m a wolf and I clearly made this in maf chat’ smh.

@Leafia

[Marluxion]

Brad probably is gonna die for this post but I’ve seen this from v him like twice before

I don’t think I’ve ever seen him get this emotional as a wolf though

[2Wolves1Hydra]

@Marluxion

Brad

Thank you for your post Marl, really cool

[Frog]

@WindwardAway

I don’t think you have to stop calling out ego tunnel players, but I don’t think you need to imply their reads are automatically going to be bad. Of course they can still be right but fall into a tunnel where their reasoning becomes bad, even if the original read was correct, and I do agree that’s when they (including myself) need to step back and reevaluate, or at least sort through which parts of their read are purely confbias and which was the original reason for it. But even good players with good reasoning can fall into a tunnel of confirmation bias once they feel certain they’re on the right track, and it doesn’t make them all-around bad players.

cool beans my dude

I think this is more or less well ventured off your point that I’m a hypocrite for my treatment of yourself and the hydra account

The main parallel you were m aking was that I’m a hypocrite for scum reading players on based on their confidence?

I think my reasoning is valid tbh

I think the Hydra account is probably town after all is said and done

I still don’t quite know where to place you tbh

[WindwardAway]

@Solic

Could you summarize why you’d want him out today?

1. I didn’t like his early progression of pushing Gorta (not that terrible on its own) to pushing Eli for defending Gorta (opportunistic), to saying the scumteam has at least one of Gorta/Eli (either chaining them or just keeping the low-impact players in the PoE as easy MLs)

2. I didn’t like his reaction to Gorta voting him because it seemed extremely overblown. Maybe it’s because I’m not a fan of AtE but it just felt icky, and despite Brad saying he’s been on Gorta the entire day, I still think his crossvote onto Gorta was pure OMGUS because despite having Gorta in his PoE all day, he didn’t continue trying to push Gorta the entire time. It wasn’t like he really tried hard to convince everyone else to see why he thought Gorta was scummy.

[eevee]

@Frog

I am obviously not aligned with anyone

I don’t have any objective in my play, I’m playing with EVERYONE

I am giving everyone a fair shake engaging in real good faith dialogue

What I’m posting is real, not something manufactured to be gobbled up and palatable

I am the most obvious Townie bar none tbh

I am obviously not aligned with anyone

I don’t have any objective in my play, I’m playing equally with everyone

I am giving everyone a fair amount of my lack of interest and don’t engage in ill fated dialogue

What I’m posting is real, not something manufactured to be gobbled up and palatable

I am the least obvious Townie bar none tbh