Players' Choice Invitational - Town Wins!

[Atlas]

@WindwardAway

@ash4fun

fwiw wazza seems more frustrated than scared, I’m leaning her town for that.

I’ve been in the situation where I’m tired and being forced to justify my existance as town, and what wazza’s been posting seems consistent with that. I just feel like I can get into her headspace from her posts, and it seems like a towny mindset.

I feel like this is jumping too fast to TL Wazza
Personally I found her overexplaining that she was tired to be excessive and unnecessary beyond a certain level but I’m still catching up and want to see her other posts, particularly when she’s not tired, for comparison

i read 38 posts later and got this

[Atlas]

all I really got beyond that is
wow sulit looks scummy

[Arctic]

@ash4fun

so sulit says ybw pushed her to crich. This feels like it might be ybw trying to save squirrel. I don’t think it makes much sense as ybw/sulit scumteam. Unless sulit is the lw. aaaaaa I should stop trying to read pairings

sulit is probably town

[Arctic]

good crosspost

[Atlas]

read her iso and tell me what you think beside affiliations

[Arctic]

@ash4fun

@Blizer

I think

we need to kill between Squirrel and Ash today tbh, unless we really want to kill YBW, or vul today, which im for

mainly cause flipping both those slots can actually help solve the game significantly

Like I don’t disagree but also
“we should flip xyz because they solve the game more” gives me red flags from muppets
but also that’s me and my SRs so

actually wait suddenly this feels like a wolf trying to double dip on a v/v/v
I stg if squirrel is town

this probably makes both squirrel and blizer town
preparing for a squirrel v flip and shading blizer for it
doesn’t mean anything for blizer if squirrel is still a wolf tho

[Arctic]

no
after i finish catching up i have an exam to do

[WindwardAway]

Is it bad i think Ash and Squirrel could both be wolves

[Atlas]

@sulit

scumread this post because it comes from the mindset of

“Why are you scumreading me for saying (specific thing)”

Rather than inciting that the read is unjustified

this is okish? i feel like that’s all you can really say anyway

@sulit

Basically my Thing about arctic was that from skimming and reading things about postgame dicey dungeons I feel like he would approach this game ?differently? as a villager
I’m not super super familiar with the occurrences of the game but I have gotten the gist that

not for arctic

arctics reads were kinda doodoo

when I made my read I hadn’t really seen any posts or thoughts from him in this game that reference DD or even demonstrate a bit more underconfidence in his reads which is Probably Weird

but upon further evaluation and isolation
he does make this post

Summary

@Arctic

you’re wolfreading me for having a push for flimsy reasons, but also for backing off

these things are related to my read accuracy from last game

i don’t want to townlead this game, and i dont want to shove my reads down everyone’s throat

if I’m overestimating his doodoo (arctic dont read) reads and they were not actually that bad please feel free to correct me

so, outside of my own doodoo read
Arctic is prolly null/light town because I like his blizer post:

meta read on arctic which basically sums up to his reads are bad

@sulit

ash wagon doesnt look great considering crich and squirrel are both onit but

that could just be written off as self pres

kinda same with squirrel wagon

going off who’s on them im most likely to vote crich rn

Could be trying to save wolf partner

@sulit

Like. I said I wouldnt be active for EOD because I was busy, and I popped on 20 minutes before and asked for wagons. i wanted to move my vote off the vanity wagon i was on before eod. These are all of the posts I got related to the top three wagons despite me asking for summaries 20 minutes before EOD, and the only person who gave me any actual reason beside “they’re wolfy!” was YBW on Crich

I had already townread blizer and min (on the crich wagon), ash had squirrel and crich on their wagon, and squirrel and crich are both top wagons and I didn’t have reads on either so I was assuming both had been scummy

Trying to justify actions
you had 48 hours and 98% of what you said wasn’t useful at all
You dont need to base your vote solely on what ybw says

@sulit

from what I remember from playing with them a couple times on CD, ash is a pretty open villager - they have a pretty followable and open thought process throughout their posts
i don’t think i’ve ever played a game with them where they were mafia but @Squirrel2412 ? might have if they rememebr

I geniuely wonder why sulit is only really here to defend ash

@sulit

@ash4fun

And granted, I was trying to provoke in the post he quoted, but the way he phrased it made it seem like he wasn’t really provoked, but voting me on it anyway.

pretty towny, “the way he phrased it made it seem like he wasn’t really provoked” shows thought process and analyzing squirrel’s post

anyone could look at something and say that

@sulit

sticking with the push is prolly a good look

quote messed up so only have this
it wasn’t really sticking with a push, it was just saying something was textbook early scummy

@sulit

@ash4fun

I’ve been in the situation where I’m tired and being forced to justify my existance as town, and what wazza’s been posting seems consistent with that. I just feel like I can get into her headspace from her posts, and it seems like a towny mindset.

meh
feels kinda over explainy/performy in a bad way
i originally thought the thought process here was villagery but the wording unsettles me

after two people says this, she says ~68 hours later

@sulit

i feel like t!ash would have more to say here/more thought process behind this read ? m eh

this read confuses me
Emilia (the post is talking about how Emilia only really has memes) really only does have memes and nothing useful
How would there be more to say?

@sulit

@ash4fun

Then I tried to phrase it in a way that sounded more interesting than “looks like openwolfing”

better look in terms of thought process
im not really sure a wolf would openly admit to trying to phrase something to seem more interesting lol

no thats just saying something humans do that

@sulit

from what I remember from playing with them a couple times on CD, ash is a pretty open villager - they have a pretty followable and open thought

@sulit

ash kinda null / null town

this is the same post btw

@sulit

Spending their first posts telling people to not claim seems pretty easy for a wolf to do and kinda meh
understandable but easy wolf towncred

its not really towncred
its just saying something so nobody claims to be ai with 3 open checks

@sulit

I like this sequence about arctic tbh, it shows squirrel thinking about and developing a scumread, and i think the pinging people for opinions isn’t really something a wolf would do here

a wolf can easily pretend that, it’s not a step by step plan, just what he says overall

@sulit

@Squirrel2412

if min were mafia, he could just give the scum fakeclaims since it’s his cat

im not sure a wolf says this

wolves don’t always have to be playing the game

@sulit

@Squirrel2412

marl - he’s continuing to tunnel me despite the push having a very little traction in a way that reads confbias town to me.

not really much reasoning here as to why squirrel ended on a townread

because if he has a confbias, he thinks he’s right enough to tunnel in a way squirrel feels is towny

@sulit

@Squirrel2412

mostly vibes/gutreading, but also doesn’t seem like he’s pushing agenda

“doesnt seem like he’s pushing agenda”

what agenda do you think I’m pushing
you haven’t talked to me or about me all game

[WindwardAway]

Very heavily considering how they just dropped votes on each other yesterday and left them there

[Atlas]

everything I could grab, the fact that almost all of it is from one post is a little strange

[Atlas]

@Atlas

this is okish? i feel like that’s all you can really say anyway

wazza’s post, not sulits

[Arctic]

if they were both wolves i don’t think ash would bother mentioning worlds where the eod wagons were v/v/v and their shade on blizer looked like it was preparing for a new push after squirrel flipped v

[WindwardAway]

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@sulit

@Squirrel2412

mostly vibes/gutreading, but also doesn’t seem like he’s pushing agenda
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“doesnt seem like he’s pushing agenda”

what agenda do you think I’m pushing
you haven’t talked to me or about me all game

I thought she was making fun of squirrels post tbh

[WindwardAway]

Quote broke again, great

[Atlas]

it was referring to what squirrel said about my slot

[WindwardAway]

Yeah I know
But did you mean Sulit didn’t talk about your slot at all or that Squirrel didn’t?

[Atlas]

which sulit probably hasn’t bothered to look at

[Atlas]

the thing is scumreading sulit for having weird posts, I didn’t put anything about wazza squirrel or ash in there

[WindwardAway]

Honestly sulit’s just sort of been floating in the thread
imo there’s nothing really there of substance
There were one or two takes they wrote that I thought were decent but I can’t even remember them at this point so I guess they weren’t memorable