(also unlike Cop it mostly doesn’t have the ability to greenpeek vanillagers, which is admittedly a downside since that’s the theoretical-optimal-cop-strat in many cop setups)
(but still)
(it’s very good)
1 Like
maybe a better comparison is
Watcher is like Doctor
but instead of being able to save a life by predicting the nightkill, it gets redchecks by predicting the nightkill, and sometimes it doesn’t even need to predict the nightkill to do that
2 Likes
i wasn’t just considering town roles, wolves too
i think i ordered it something like
mdet/illusioner
vig/vengeful
governor/deathproof
jailkeeper/tracker
cop/tracker
doctor/roleblocker (mainly here due to roleblocker for wolves)
commuter/watcher
backup/role cop
neighborizer/fruit vendor
for town individually, yeah watcher is anywhere between 1-3 steps higher
but we’re competing for these roles with wolves too
why did ranta and eli try taking illusioner as player 5 and player 10
I mean, Gorta got A-cop as player 16
cop is a middle of the pack choice which is potentially snipeable if no one thinks to go for it
illusioner is literally the top choice, player 1 always chooses i- oh wait
3 Likes
always take the best role no matter the number you have. #sigmagrindset
1 Like
when I played the setup before the entire village missed that Illusioner was good for village as well as wolves (I think because of the whole tracker-miller aspect of it) (I noticed but I was a wolf so 
)
the villager who got that rolepair chose MoDet
but maybe that was discussed in the pregame coordination phase, I didn’t read it
2 Likes
MDet lmao
1 Like
Who cares who the illusioner blames the kill on, it’s a town dayvig at best and a town possessor kill that they can out themselves if they really want to at worst
yes
then again this was the game where literally half of the village tried to pick FV/Neighborizer, including the player with pick #1
3 Likes
How many of them picked fruit vendor
Picking the worst role pair in existence as first picker is kinda a chad move.
imagine being player 2 and choosing fruit vendor and then not getting it
1 Like
this took me way too long to find but it looks like only 2
full draft order was
- Town - Neighborizer
- Town - [Neighborizer]
- Town - [Neighborizer]
- Town - Vengeful
- Town - Universal Backup
- Mafia - Pardoner
- Town - MoDet
- Town - 3-shot Watcher
- Town - [Neighborizer]
- Town - [Fruit Vendor]
- Town - Universal Backup
- Town - [Vengeful]
- Mafia - [Vengeful]
- Town - [Fruit Vendor]
- Traitor - Tracker [from Acop/Tracker]
- Town - [Neighborizer]
- Mafia - [Illusioner]
JK/Tracker, RB/Doctor both unclaimed
2 Likes
correctly identifying that Town will fail to realize that Illusioner is a genuinely good pick as village:
Town picks MoDet:
2 Likes
what
2 Likes
feel like people vastly overestimate the power of one KP even if dayvigs are objectively pretty (su)lit
like your top 3 would probs all be in my bottom half (gov/deathproof is weird cause its terrible on town in most cases, deathproof on, like, v!newcomb is broken and really good on wolves, imo none of the role sets have quite that big of an alignment power gap)