Pokemon Xros Wars Game Over Mafia Victory

[Stellaluna]

looking back i think that frost’s progression on neon is pretty natural given his investigative role (?) and the way he laid it out feels like legitimately feeling like he’s got a catch
im fine marking him off as villa for now just from occam’s razor
like he could be a wolf but im not sure we’d be getting anything better than that to hope for anyways so
-luna

[Stellaluna]

if he was a mafia tracker or something i don’t think he’d waste his time actually tracking people he’s pretending to wolfread and then build a natural looking progression off of it
-luna

[Jar]

@Rajidae

doc save

there is a doc nice didnt know

[Lucyfer]

Why not vote Olive here?

[Lucyfer]

I think Neon makes more sense as a 3p killer or town than a wolf, given how theyve played so far

[Lucyfer]

I mean i want u to take the time to actually push out thoughts with reasoning instead of throwing out these blanket reads, especially since we have 72 hours

[Stellaluna]

i also wolfread jar, especially over the counterwagon dum
im fine voting olivest its just that it doesnt really have a solid anchor right now and im not desperate to try to hit them over jar right now
-luna

[Stellaluna]

@Zorvo

That’s not true at all.

i would love to see what it was then

~stella

[KingTroll]

hi guys

King Catchup TM

@ElizaThePsycho

among us

when the impostor is sus!!!

@Rajidae

@KingTroll can you run me through your progression on 2Wolves? You kept calling them a villager a lot in the early parts of your ISO and I’m interested to hear why you decided to walk back on it

yeah i’ll get back to you here but uhhhhhhh. i started off thinking they were wolf, dreamt myself off of them being wolf, looked around a bit more, couldn’t come to a conclusion i liked at all, and then voted dum and ended up immediately starting my wifom right under the wire. i kind of assumed that my thought process towards 2wolves+stella had to be uh. flawed somewhere because i don’t trust my own reads and that’s why i lose games <3

@Host_Account_3

Just to make sure everyone saw this. DAY 2 IS 72 HOURS!!!

ew

@Stellaluna

zorvo had a ton of pressure drop off him for no reason after a super wolfy opening (i think the trolling stuff was notably bad given recent context - i know he’s been trying to improve as a player lately so i don’t think he’d pull this if there wasn’t an agenda behind it), plus i think the way he was preflipping people off of a 2wolves wolf read that wasn’t even his was an excuse to not solve

cool

@Lucyfer

it takes a lot to make me actually detest a playstyle, and any of my recent town games, I have not specifically hated a player as much as I hate you

I specifically try very hard to find LHFs, and work with them, but u dont want to be worked with, u want to play your little own fun game, which means doing nothing, and watching town burn, which I dont think is townie in the slightest

is this a copypasta

@Rajidae

What do you take of Zorvo almost being hammered yesterday? Do you think the people on his wagon at the time were all villagers?

zorvo was never going to get killed by anything other than a policy let’s all be real with ourselves (source: he didn’t get killed)

@Rajidae

I just realized 6 isn’t majority in a 16 player game

lmao

@Rajidae

Also, the way Kingtroll treated Zorvo’s trolling makes it clear that these two are unaligned imo

originally i rolled town but mods told me seth had also rolled town and felt bad for me so they gave me scum as compensation

@Stellaluna

oh yeah i had kt marked as a suspect if olive is a wolf bc that townread also felt forced

my townread on olivest is fine i think

@Rajidae

This is what the majority of the playerlist was doing

@ElizaThePsycho

this is the only useful post i have

f

@Stellaluna

i agree that the points stella raised look bad

i hate hydras i hate hydras i hate hydras

@LadyLambdaDelta

I don’t know what part of 2W’s townflip you missed or the interactions that slot has with Stella but Stella has very good odds to be town here and we should never kill there today after shooting at 2W anyway.

i need to reeval you thanks for reminding me. hope you feel better tho

@Stellaluna

i remember KT said some stuff that I liked but stella voiced suspicion and i agree that nothing i have is solid at allk and its all worth further evaluation

@Zorvo

I just went by vibe, gut and Lady.

possibly you should’ve not just hard trolled and then sheeped lady all day

@Zorvo

I have a Soft Green.

you’re doing this early on a 72 hour d2 instead of trying to get any information out of it? really?

@Zorvo

Why does one hydra partner hard wolf read Dum and the other hard town read Dum.

Yet clearly they both think I’m a wolf and voted me before.

Could it be because they are wolves with Dum?

zorvo reeval a worldview that’s failed challenge level impossible

@Neon

I… really… hate… this…

+ev

neon is like the person i trust most to be town ngl

@Neon

It could be because they are two different individual people with independent thoughts.

But what the fuck do I know.

+ev

@Jarek

Okay maybe I won’t but let me pretend I have irrefutable evidence Olivest can never be evil so I can move past trying to vote them off

is this a tmi slip

@Neon

Progression is for nerds. Anyways.

oooh that explains why zorvo’s sticking with their d1 reads

@Neon

If you’re not here you either haven’t posted today, I don’t remember it, or I don’t think it was AI enough for me to make judgements.

hi =)

@Jar

does anyone else feel that lady is making the some very weak reads and this could potentially mean she is a wolf

uhhh the first one of those is a copypasta i was told but the second one is mehhhh

@Rajidae

Wolves are never ever getting me misexed and that’s why I was attacked, so Lady pushing me is so absurd I don’t think it lines up with a wolf agenda

I can see their logic so I think Lady’s just a villager with a rigid mindset

lmao

@Frostwolf103

Lady isn’t even acknowledging you got attacked.

+ev

@Neon

Your defence was correct shouldn’t she reeval some since they literally flipped town today?

+ev

@Frostwolf103

Okay 100% not able to understand the context, is she being sarcastic or genuine?

everyone loves me =)

@Rajidae

The answer is 60% ‘yes’

And 40% ‘No I genuinely think there’s at least 1 wolf in there’

if zorvo is a wolf kill me first

@Dum

What the fuck raj is actually town

lmao

@Dum do you have any opinions about your last second wagon yesterday

@Neon

There was no doubt in your mind. Why does mafia never attack 2wolves? His flip is town, he provides them the option to make people like me look awful for flipping back onto him.

So why would they never kill 2 wolves?

+ev

@Dum

I mean the line of questioning is basically useless, if raj is actually town who got factional killed they always die tonight cus lol!IC and idc if this is WIFOM or not, mafia not killing a IC and instead creating another IC is always a bad play

true mech talk

@Frostwolf103

Why won’t Neon come out and say it?

huh

@Frostwolf103

So I have information about you.

Did you kill 2Wolves?

what

@Neon

Not a single person even wants to think about if 2wolves was shot by mafia and Raji was shot by a townie huh?

Okie.

@Dum

i mean we could, but that doesnt lead us anywhere and its wasted time. if thats the case the townie should claim the shot and end this discussion

why would a kp townie claim if it’s not needed

@Neon

I love when people under mine my ability to solve by outing information i was clearly holding onto in order to get info

Thanks solid 10/10 town play.

zorvo frost

unable to keep crucial information close to their chest under literally any amount of pressure

@Dum

Neon lock V unvote now

inchresting

@Neon

Here too lol

lmao

@Dum

but the handling of this whole thing just doesnt feel like a wolf who found KP

@Dum

like they sussed you hard day 1, they softed multiple times they would be your judge and went ahead and actually did it, this seems like townie progression to me

agree

@Neon

So hello mafia. I will full out now. I’m compulsory odd night vig.

I didn’t get to choose a pokemon on n0 I have to use my vig pokemon and only my vig pokemon until it dies.

My 2nd pokemon is useless until my first pokemon dies.

Its a dope ass role and I love it.

congratulations

@Dum

-Raj (begrudingly)

lmao

@Dum

for the record, zorvo stays in town tier if and only if he actually discusses the mech wolf he promissed yesterday

he promised a mech wolf?

@Rajidae

I was townread by everyone but Lady, there’s hardly a chance anyone would attack me but mafia

I don’t see why mafia would want to kill 2Wolves, the benefits aren’t worth the costs imo. You’re reading too much into this

I am of course willing to re-evaluate, but the time for that is not now because I have no reason to think otherwise

the confidence a widely townread player has before the heroshot causes their fall

@Neon

Yes I believe it was the optimal play.

true

@Olivest

WHO THE FUCK

hi

@Zorvo

I see wolf equity from Lady Now.

Potentially with Dum and Stella.

what would you do if dum and stella were both town

@Olivest

I’m glad so much of my paranoia turned out to just be goated but I’m still pissed

f

@Zorvo

Is Neon a wolf here?

no

@Zorvo

Says the person with the same read as Lady.

@Olivest

Neon is NAI at best
If you think neon is capable of such great ideas as “n1 vig in a semi flipless” they are capable of doing that same thing as scum

@Olivest

Neon’s shot was nai at best

good clarification but no neon’s just town here

@Jar

why in the world is everyone sipping?

SIPPPPP

they don’t know

@Olivest

The fuck is this argument
Wow that’s awesome man so would mafia vigs

most polite mafia player

@Olivest

Zorvo is going crazy going goofy mode rn
Good for him

yeehaw

@Zorvo

Are you claiming the shot on Radji?

@Zorvo

That’s fair.
So you never directly town read me your claiming to have only done it due to mechanics.

Well basically I have a soft clear on Lucy.
Instead of a Red Check.

@Dum

None of these? Are we reading the same thread?

lmao

@Dum

Neon took a +EV shot for town, their handling of the info she had as the shooter was villagery (Tried to use it to explore other peoples world views) and they are a type of KP i think by nature is >rand v

Also, if anything, they also handed Frost V On a silver platter which while not AI is appreciated

like this

@Dum

Honestly, if 2 Wolves was not night killed today would be day 1 again except raj is IC

this is true

@Frostwolf103

None of us signed up for groundhog day, do we?

groundhog day mafia

i trap a player in an endless timeloop until they learn to become a better person (stops playing forum mafia)

@Frostwolf103

Mobile phones and rain don’t mix well.

f

@Zorvo

OML is Dum and Olive just both wolves here, perspective slipping?
@Lucyfer

@Rajidae

I’m going back to not liking Zorvo’s posts

VOTE: Zorvo

Feels like he’s looking for a potential misexe

true

@Rajidae

However I think both Stellaluna and Kingtroll (and Dum?) have little partner equity with him which is something to be noted

that is true i would never be partners with zorvo

@Rajidae

I actually want to vote Jar

Is anyone willing to follow the IC here? I know he’s a wolf and you’ll have to trust me on this

VOTE: Jar

i don’t knowww though. i should’ve voted them yesterday

@Rajidae

It’s a meta read, I can pull up some posts later for comparison but he’s playing wildly differently here than his previous towngame and he’s playing exactly like he’s said he plays as a wolf

i hate meta reads i hate meta reads

@Dum

how soft is the green Check

@Dum

Also, why did you claim to be able to get a woof if you weren’t

@Dum

Haven’t played a lot im discord mafia, but the one game i did a townie self hammered in MYLO

big brain play

@Jar

“feel free to vote me out” is nothing related to discord mafia. it is just a weird way to approach someone wolfreading us. i shouldnt have said that because it just raises more eyebrows

this isn’t a slip 9 times out of ten

@Jar

i mean if someone wolfreads me or you, its weird to say “vote me out”

@Nokiel

So, why exactly do you think you did put the “vote me out” comment?

@Jar

it is sometimes temporary for me to lose all hope, maybe like now. so thats why i said that

don’t lose hope my guy

@Rajidae

I’m thinking Zorvo’s soft green check needs some scrutiny

I’m not liking the slot rn so I’m wondering if I can do some mech solving to figure out if it’s a wolf ability or not

sick

@Olivest

Saying the words “discord mafia” triggers my NPC dialogue

lmao

@Lucyfer

Lady wrote the book on how to mafia, if they are a wolf its not with Stella, they dont spend time asking KT where he wants to go and that they will follow

I dont particularly think wolf lld is with KT or Stella

the book… i mean if they’re wolf it could potentially have been distancing from stella without intent to get them out at eod but that’s my aluminum foil cap

@Rajidae

I’m giving you a chance to clear yourself and get the pressure off you

Can you ISO Stellaluna for me, and focus specifically on how you think a wolf-Stellaluna would act in this situation

They’ve been getting a lot of wolfreads but haven’t been pushed too much

What do you think of their arguments against it? What do you think of their lack of engagement with their reads?

like this

@Neon

I wanted info. So yes.

Spoiler I will continue shooting people we vote for on odd nights until my pokemon is KO’d

Unless this is a bait.

Is it?

Stay tuned to find out.

inb4 tos veteran

@KingTroll

good morning ladsssssss

wassuppppp

yo it’s me!!!

@Jar

i tried defending myself up there but i messed up with my first posts, not that this all means i am a wolf

understandable you should probably work towards clearing yourself though

@Neon

Zorvo has missed blatantly obvious info before as town.

But I can’t recall if he’s done or as woof.

i don’t imagine it’s too hard to fake

@Zorvo

Also when I said soft clear it’s that what they have claimed with their ability they aren’t lying.
So I’m not voting Lucy today.

fair

@Neon

I already answered this. In fact I TAGGED YOU IN IT.

Bro. Read.

challenge level impossible

@Stellaluna

also both zorro’s posting around LLD and neon and olivest’s posting around neon feel like theyre fishing to not have people cleared

i do kind of like this

@Stellaluna

also i totally buy that dum seriously believes his reads
hes just. So natural. especially today

and this

@KingTroll

morning 2 it’s time to actually catch up

hi

@Olivest

Sure
VOTE: Stellaluna
I have so much to say about this slot but I’ve said quite a bit of it to some degree

don’t think i’m a fan of this

@Olivest

I’ve not actually caught up properly so
One minute

mood

@Stellaluna

if he was a mafia tracker or something i don’t think he’d waste his time actually tracking people he’s pretending to wolfread and then build a natural looking progression off of it

true

@Jar

there is a doc nice didnt know

[post that softs doctor adjacent role to wifom mafia into attacking me] + they didn’t say there was a doctor they asked you who you thought the doc would save if one exists

so uhhhhhh i’m vetoing an early morning jar wagon find somewhere else <3 i want to iso a few people (lady, olivest) but to let it air i’m gonna VOTE: Olivest for at least post game cred

[Stellaluna]

@KingTroll

my townread on olivest is fine i think

@KingTroll

’m gonna VOTE: Olivest for at least post game cred

hmm?

~stella

[KingTroll]

someone reads my catch-up posts? insane

there’s no contradiction there tho

[Stellaluna]

okay

why not?

~stella

[Olivest]

I’m really mad gunsmith vigilante doesn’t give people guns. I thought it gave people guns at first can someone give me a gun I want a gun

[KingTroll]

I do think my reasons for townreading olivest are decent obviously since I’m the one who thinks them

however I keep coming back to a power wolf tinfoil and I want to either exorcize those thoughts or solidify on then so I’m keeping my vote there at least until my isos are done

[KingTroll]

I can give you a knife

[Olivest]

Is this the normal way of giving someone a knife or does it involve stabbing. I would prefer it not involve stabbing

[KingTroll]

I will put the handle into your hand so you can use it with minimal injury. promise

your safety is in my top five of priorities

[Olivest]

Awesome. You’re the only person in this game I trust

[KingTroll]

@Olivest

Awesome. You’re the only person in this game I trust

aw thanks man i trust you too. don’t look at where i’m voting rn that’s not important this is a sweet moment

[Neon]

@KingTroll

hi =)

Hi.

You know I say bb to my friends all the time and a lot of times this game I’ve typed bb to someone and than been like wait I shouldn’t do that here. Like this message lol.