Poor Approximations of Catgirls - Thread 1

[Moonwink]

Which conclusion? :3

[Wisdom]

Her current posts seems fine and JC town read her

[alana]

@Vulgard

I didn’t think Arctic was a wolf until this post
this post implies Arctic both knows he’s being wolfy and he’s doing that on purpose which I really can’t see him doing as a villager

nothing else really stands out to me in the first 100 posts which is weird because usually I get like 5 reads off people’s openers but not this time I guess

I think arctic’s opener was fine but the burying himself post was self-aware in a wolfy way so

/vote Arctic @Nyarchmage until I read the rest I guess

hmm first person he suspects is Arctic

@Vulgard

what did wazza do that half the thread is preflipping her as w
all i’ve read so far is her vote on jc and following explanation

soft defense of Wazza

@Vulgard

I really need to ask how you read me at some point because you’re pretty high-accuracy on me and idk what you’re doing differently from a lot of people

or you’re just TMIng my slot which would make me sad but at least that’ll spew me clear eventually

post to Marluxion

@Vulgard

ooooh okay that does ring a bell
i don’t think that’ll help me read you because i think i were a wolf both times i played with you (was it two times? on the syndicate) but it’s good to know

post to Bladescape

@Vulgard

i thought “wtf is literally all of this” but then marshal gave a pretty good explanation aside from the fact she didn’t address the alana part
i still think this leans toward the wtf tier but i felt similarly about some of her takes in the champs practice game she played on mu where she got yote d3 and she was town there

post to Marshal

@Vulgard

hyena is a villager, that felt opportunistic to me too
i don’t think the wolfreads on wazza are warranted at all
i think her early posts are nai at worst and the things arctic described there are literally all in her townrange
this is particularly strange coming from arctic who has misread wazza on more than one occasion and yet projects thunderous confidence about her in p#235 which is dissonant with how he should be treating her slot

@Vulgard

oh yeah i’ve only read a few posts by alana so far but i think she’s an overlooked slot that likely flips mafia
her opener was weak, and yet it went by completely unnoticed, indicating that wolves didn’t feel the urge to harp on it

she randomly defends arctic here

calling my defense on Arctic random in hindsight this was a red flag I ffing knew it

@Vulgard

i completely get it though i guess this specific example could come from both alignments

post in response to Squirrel

@Vulgard

also i think laserpointer is villagery from their early-game posts
reads like they’re genuinely trying to solve alignments and i particularly tr the fact they’re reading slots nobody talks about which is broadening the discussion

@Vulgard

oh yeah i also firmly believe that wolves doing gimmicks end up more struggly than villagers doing gimmicks and laserpointer has 93 posts which are also villagery independently from the gimmick (or at least the ones i’ve read so far are villagery)

read on Laserpointer I actually agreed with at the time

@Vulgard

if laserpointer is katze i still townread the way the gimmick is being handled but the posts themselves are in both ranges
though i still think the broadening-the-discussion part is applicable and villagery

@Vulgard

is your new meta to give reads with no reasoning

post to Marshal

@Vulgard

min meming all over the marshal/arctic quarrel might be ai but idk which way
probably depends on marshal/arctic’s alignments

@Vulgard

i really want some actually explained min townreads at this point because to me he’s a hard null aorn and i’d like to hear some actual input

some shade on Min

@Vulgard

legit think this is wolfy because i think katze has been villagery and while this is obviously a joke i feel like it’s an opportunistic one / one designed to look towny

this is one of those reads i’m going to catch immense flak for but it’ll later turn out to have been correct after i walk away from it

shades Millium

@Vulgard

from illwei i don’t actually think it’s that wolfy just because it’s illwei but i maintain the millium read

@Vulgard

i think wolf wisp is opportunistic and this jokey shade on katze fits the bill whereas illwei shades everyone as town so it’s nai

@Vulgard

my readlist is largely opposite to this one

i think blade, marl, zori, laser, maaaaaaybe hyena are town
arete has felt fine in the moment
i think thread consensus is wrong on wazza and wazza’s town but i could be wrong on this

i think millium, arctic, and alana have been wolfy

rest is null to varied degrees

there’s one post from squirrel i really disliked but other than that i think squirrel has been fine

oh yeah and kyubey should die for the neut claim i won’t budge on this

post to John Carter but gives a lot of takes on others

@Vulgard

oh yeah i think windy’s opening string of posts including this one has been wolfy but i also think she should become obvious town by eod if she’s town so i’ll give her space to become that

@Vulgard

yeah which is the primary reason i wanted all the min townreaders to elaborate
like three people tossed a townread on min without explaining it at all while i feel like min’s posts are easily within both ranges and he hasn’t done anything significant that swings in either direction

… seems to be against the idea of Min getting townread too quick

@Vulgard

i like the fact mistyx sussed out alana and i see where she’s coming from re: the “experience level” reasoning; i do agree that for someone with 50 games under their belt alana’s early posting is pretty wolfy

i dislike the way mistyx handles her read on laserpointer; first she calls laserpointer’s posts wolfy and seems to relate that fact to laserpointer being katze and tring nutella (the latter of which is fair enough i guess, but the former of which is not) but then she seems to spend more time trying to figure out whose alt laserpointer is rather than trying to figure out the slot’s alignment which i found strange for mistyx to be focusing on

i think mistyx is probably town but i need more content from her before i really settle on this belief

@Vulgard

i’m mostly surprised that min called it a push at all considering the fact it didn’t look like one, just a suspicion

@Vulgard

so… it wasn’t a push… but it also wasn’t a real push?

posts to Min

@Vulgard

rn, i’m looking at arctic/millium/alana, and i’m conflicted on jc - because his push on me is awful, and he’s misrepped players other than me as well, in ways i’m not sure are just ignorance or intentional; also, i disagree with a lot of his reads, and that wasn’t the case in the last towngame of his that i spectated

he seems similar to that game on play and approach, but in terms of what he’s actually saying, i’ve barely liked anything he’s done - which is a problem

@Vulgard

this is also more or less what i thought about that exchange

later posts are also fine
i think i fixated on the katze post too hard
millium is probably a villager
i’m not super confident, but there have been some pretty towny posts already, so yeah

… does a 180 on his millium read without much thought process on why he now changed his mind

@Vulgard

feel like there are wolves in the marshal/mistyx/min/squirrel/wazza grouping because I do have townreads on them but those townreads are for shaky reasons and I know from experience that I often put wolves in that zone of my readlists

millium/marl/laserpointer/arete/bladescape are more confident

bladescape is the weakest one here because it’s largely based on his role but I think his posts have been okay
maybe he shouldn’t be that high

@Vulgard

I’d actually say wolves are here + some combo of arctic/JC/Alana

yes, I do realize JC is pushing people in this group, just different ones than me

@Vulgard

oh yeah i think hippo is villagery so far

@Vulgard

i don’t have a good reason to call nutella a villager but she feels like one thus far

@Vulgard

well, regardless of alignment, i want wazza to think critically about the game and talk about people’s alignments outside of whoever is pushing her

what she’s been doing has been useless since it started

@Vulgard

i talk about it later, but this post feels weird, because you’re mildly accusing jc of tmi while also exhibiting blatant tmi - which i don’t think is actual tmi but it feels that way

it’s hard to explain

@Vulgard

/vote Squirrel @Nyarchmage

Vulgard votes Squirrel, don’t know the context of what the VC was

@Vulgard

this is a lost wolf soft

post to Hippo. tinfoils

@Vulgard

I’m asking this question because I do have plenty of experience with recent Wisdom and everything you’re accusing them of is perfectly viable for them to have posted as a villager

if anything I agreed with Arete’s take the most, the one where they call Wisdom V for being “galaxy brain” (the me/JC W/W take)

it also just so happens that Arete does have recent experience with Wisdom V so them providing that take makes sense regardless of their alignment

I suppose Wisdom is still in wolfrange but yeah

@Vulgard

I also feel like Windy is trying to pocket me with likes because she isn’t that villagery but I suppose that’s realistically NAI

also I rescind the townread on moonwink

@Vulgard

Wisdom only player in the thread who truly understands me

@Vulgard

I’m yolo clearing wisdom
if wisdom is a wolf I am pocketed

tbh I feel like this is wifom

@Vulgard

with is i just want some actual content
same with nutella really
and illwei
nutella i feel is gut v but the other two are just null

mild v pings from zori over the reads she’s given but that’s about it
kyubey retracting the neut claim doesn’t do anything for me either

i think alana’s posting has improved but i haven’t metadived her yet which i should probably do soon

/vote Kyubey @Nyarchmage

vote on Kyubey…

@Vulgard

shoot this slot

to internetstranger

@Vulgard

i mean
that’s what i’ve been thinking because of what these pushes have looked like
jc has misrepped me on numerous occasions
you have called me mafia on the basis of me trying to prevent villagers from being townread which is a ??? read from a villager who shouldn’t know the alignments of the people i’m questioning reads on
you later elaborated and it looked less bad afterward but i still think the initial wolfread you gave on me is crap

speaking of which

note the bolded
if min and jc are both town, marshal is probably a wolf on the basis of trying to shade me for fighting “consensus and obvious townreads” on them

i still think it’s possible marshal’s a wolf if one of these two is mafia (or even if both are mafia) but the read is just straight tmi if they’re town and very unlikely to have come from a villager

…scumreads Marshal

@Vulgard

/vote Hippopablompoyeetus @Nyarchmage

more posts to Marshal

@Vulgard

i think you misread
i think if these two are v/v, then you’re super likely to be a wolf who pushed me by tming two people i tried to “fight v reads on”

if they are not v/v, then you’re less likely to be a wolf, because then, you were wrong on at least one of these assumptions, pointing toward a lack of actual tmi - but i still think you could be a wolf, because the very fact it was a chainsaw push is fishy

@Vulgard

realistically you’ve already lost the battle if you’re a wolf because people will remember my read on you after i flip

talk about other slots

post to Arctic

@Vulgard

you have literally SEEN FIRSTHAND when wind did EXACTLY THAT to BOTH OF US in a game and yet you supposedly think we’re w/w because i commented on this being a possibility

you are a wolf

@Vulgard

I think the dude is mafia and the consensus is wrong
I feel like wolves are in control of the thread and that worries me immensely

I often have this feeling and am correct, especially on day 1, but nobody ever listens to me

I think Arctic is mafia because I haven’t agreed with any of his pushes (I think Arete and Wazza are town), because I don’t think he’s been super villagery (I have high standards for him because I think he’d try hard here as either alignment but as town he’d be an easier townread), and because he called me w/w with windward for me calling her a potential like pocketer, which is what she was trying to do to both me and Arctic in the clonedvitational where me and arctic masoned

Arctic claiming he couldn’t have known what I was referring to is something I don’t believe at all and it felt like a snap response to discredit me; the only pause I have is that he didn’t actually push me harder for it, but started reconsidering my slot instead, which I’m not sure how to feel about. I actually kinda see why he would call my like-pocket statement about WWA W/W, but it feels like a bizarre interpretation coming from him, when he should know I’m stating something that could very well be true; at the very least, it felt openly uncharitable. I probably overstated the importance of that response in my snap reaction earlier, but I do think it’s AI

his reads in the rest of this post that I wont quote because of how much space it takes up:

calls Arete Wisdom Wazza laser millium hippo bladescape marluxion town,

says at least one scum in JC and Marshal and in moonwink and nightingale

has me Kyubey Illwei squirrel as null

@Vulgard

this is literally the exact opposite of what i think.
adding squirrel to my wolf pile from the post above.

…starts to scumread Squirrel

… I don’t see how Moonwink is spewed scum from Vulgard interactions, I have seen people call them outed scum but still don’t really know why. I think Vulgard flip doesn’t really say anything about Moonwink

@Vulgard

LOL
LOOOOOOOLLLLLLL
legit unbelievable that you think this
also i read the arete case
arete is probably correct in that you’re a wolf, and jc might actually be your partner
i was wrong but not all that wrong

/vote Marshal @Nyarchmage

seems more likely to happen than jc

Marshal was very likely to be lynched yet Vulgard decides to leave his vanity wagon to vote Marshal despite saying earlier that he would always vote JC. Feel like this is anti-aligned because if Marshal is scum then Vulgard had every reason to just stay on his vanity wagon

…though he later switches to Arete

I can’t say who I think looks bad based on this ISO but have some ideas of who isn’t affiliated with him.

I think Arctic, Min, Wisdom and maaaybe Marshal are spewed from this

[nightingale]

this is approximately the only read you made to me about specifically my reaction
at least the only one that i read
nya

[Millium]

honestly with everything being said, and the back forths
I am not to keen on “their current posts seem fine”
What exactly seems fine to you?

[Millium]

question are we playing a game of mafia, or are we just taking everything Vulgard says to heart, and just town reading anyone he has called a wolf, and wolf reading vice versa?

[Moonwink]

Oh, that, lol. That was me continuing to be troll-y and pushing you a little harder to see what else I could get out of you. :3 That wasn’t a real conclusion, so yeah, that was faked.

[Moonwink]

This has been my main argument from the start though. People ARE scumreading me right now mostly for what Vulgard said and did towards me, not for anything I’ve done or said.

[Moonwink]

And I’m arguing that people should NOT be doing that and should be, instead, actually reading what else I’ve said and done this game and evaluate me based on that.

[Millium]

I sit in a different position here, I think a lot of u defending urself should be NAI, because any competent player would go the motions regardless of their alignment

though honestly I dont really understand what is so telling about any of Vulgards statements about you

[Moonwink]

Actually, now that you’ve brought that post to my attention again, what did you think about Vulgard using our interactions to suggest that there was one wolf between the both of us?

[Millium]

@Wisdom
I’ll be awaiting a real answer to my question

[alana]

Do you feel like you are spewed just because of him having been the likely NK target and not because of what his alignment was?

I’m actually not sure he was the nightkill because we had multiple deaths also I doubt that John Carter targeted Vulgard for his night action because they had a fight. Also Nutella has been poisoned and I highly doubt there is an SK ish role because of how the hosts polarize the town and mafia factions in the OP and in the wincon.

[Millium]

i swear someone told me that squirrel was meming at EoD, I dont see any of that
why the hell am I voting them lol

/unvote

@Nyarchmage

[Moonwink]

Ahhhh… okay. I think my defensive right now lead to me thinking you were actually scumreading me for defending myself. I didn’t realize you were actually saying it was NAI. That’s my bad.

But yeah. Like, if there were other things I did that people had issues with, I’d have no issue with being scumread. Everybody knows I like being scumread because it gives me a chance to banter with them. However, getting ‘spewed mafia by Vulgard’ is just the flimsiest reason to scumread me right now if that’s all people have on me. That’s why I’m trying to get people, like Night for example, to take stances on other stuff I’ve done in the game.

[Millium]

also if u can heal, dont heal Nutella, please and thanks lol

[nightingale]

i dont know
i havent really been paying attention at all to vulgard spew
i ont think its particularly ai given the fact that he didnt really push on any of us at all though

so thats not part of my read in either direction
nya

[Millium]

does anyone have Night town and mafia games, I am curious to read up on them

[Millium]

getting other thoughts in the middle of all this that isn’t about you is good, that I will agree on

like I said may have or may not have said before, I dont really like giving out town leans unless I have a reason to do so even if its flimsy, but I haven’t seen something from you from your real time, also you already know I am paranoid of you give our champs game

maybe at some point iso dive you, especially if people continue to discuss you

[Moonwink]

No, no. Though, now that you mention it, I probably AM extra-spewed town if he was the mafia night kill target, because I don’t argue with someone and come close to flat out scumreading them, then turn around and just nightkill them instead. My MO would be to go into D2 and just argue with Vulgard more.

My argument is that, as mafia, I don’t even HAVE that argument with Vulgard. And even if I do argue with Vulgard, I don’t criticize his solvy-post in the manner that I do. I called it bad because it was a transparent attempt to look extra solvy, but again, it was D1, so the tryhard-y-ness actually looked bad in that scenario.