Poor Approximations of Catgirls - Thread 1

[Marluxion]

Also for all my setup speculation bullshit I literally changed from VT to something else last night

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some insight into how vulgard was playing the game?

@Vulgard

yeah illwei I do think Arctic is a wolf but I also think he should become obvious town by eod1 if I’m wrong so if he doesn’t I recommend killing him

I think his opener was fine but the way he handled thread pressure on him afterward felt like “ha. I’m a wolf.” which was really bad

next worst opener probably Alana because they didn’t really say anything and just left the thread after ~one post but I’m still reading so maybe they come back later

everyone else I’ve read so far NAI fmpov

so they start off their debut of an Alana read with a scumread on their opener

@Vulgard

@Marshal

Straight up don’t buy it at all I think this is the attempt to awkwardly orient himself in thread after a bad opener with help from partner(s)

@Marshal

uninterested in relenting

Ftr alana fits the bill v well with arctic partner

i thought “wtf is literally all of this” but then marshal gave a pretty good explanation aside from the fact she didn’t address the alana part
i still think this leans toward the wtf tier but i felt similarly about some of her takes in the champs practice game she played on mu where she got yote d3 and she was town there

more shade, plus pairing with arctic? looks fairly good… vulgard def taking pushing approach to one known packbuddy

vulgard says something like this to possible partner marshal while arctic is also a wolf? arctic and marsh are NOT w/w if it wasn’t obvious before

@Vulgard

oh yeah i’ve only read a few posts by alana so far but i think she’s an overlooked slot that likely flips mafia
her opener was weak, and yet it went by completely unnoticed, indicating that wolves didn’t feel the urge to harp on it

she randomly defends arctic here

@alana

Yea i don’t see what is scummy about Arctic’s posts. I have had plenty of games where I got scumread for trying to get the game out of fluff phase but then it ironically got the game out of fluff phase just not in the way I intended

which feels like tming his alignment in some way (not caring about the reasons people wolfread him much)

the post i like the most from her iso is her longest one where she gives some reads, but it’s not even that good - it’s just less bad than the others are

a bit less good looking for arctic, but it appears to be in this game vulgard outright took a bussing approach.

This is a moment

@Vulgard

i’m cutting alana some slack because some of this can be attributed to playstyle but i do think it’s significantly >rand w so far

alright…

did vulgard die from wolves truly? because they pushed on them alot? did they indeed actually go the bussing route?

@Vulgard

/vote alana @Nyarchmage

actually i like this better for the time being

@Vulgard

my readlist is largely opposite to this one

i think blade, marl, zori, laser, maaaaaaybe hyena are town
arete has felt fine in the moment
i think thread consensus is wrong on wazza and wazza’s town but i could be wrong on this

i think millium, arctic, and alana have been wolfy

rest is null to varied degrees

there’s one post from squirrel i really disliked but other than that i think squirrel has been fine

oh yeah and kyubey should die for the neut claim i won’t budge on this

? did vul do the rule of three here? are they pushing more wolf mates? id like to hear everyones thoughts.

@Vulgard

also i’m almost entirely caught up and it still baffles me that barely anyone has talked about alana
the only player i saw seriously discussing the alana slot was jc and he called her town which i disagree with

more bussing

@Vulgard

@Arctic

people who have been LHFey so far and would be easy pushes for wolves to make: nutella, Squirrel, nightingale

people who aren’t LHF but have much more beneficial wagons: arctic, wazza

ok but these slots have all been at least addressed itt
alana hasn’t

@Vulgard

i like the fact mistyx sussed out alana and i see where she’s coming from re: the “experience level” reasoning; i do agree that for someone with 50 games under their belt alana’s early posting is pretty wolfy

more shade on Alana?

im interested in the fact that vulgard townread a part of Mistys play and then weirdly shaded it but not really used it at the same time after?

@Vulgard

rn, i’m looking at arctic/millium/alana, and i’m conflicted on jc - because his push on me is awful, and he’s misrepped players other than me as well, in ways i’m not sure are just ignorance or intentional; also, i disagree with a lot of his reads, and that wasn’t the case in the last towngame of his that i spectated

he seems similar to that game on play and approach, but in terms of what he’s actually saying, i’ve barely liked anything he’s done - which is a problem

once again

another rule of 3? this makes me feel better about millium and arctic by default

unless they are indeed hell bussing the entire wolfteam

@Vulgard

@Vulgard

marshal/mistyx/min/squirrel/wazza

I’d actually say wolves are here + some combo of arctic/JC/Alana

yes, I do realize JC is pushing people in this group, just different ones than me

more wolves in that poe? arctic/jc both villa? more rule of 3 as a treat?

I am more convinced there is a wolf in that small poe that was made. im starting to grow more towards the side of marshal wolf now.

@Vulgard

@alana

I got some notifications but I’m still catching up T.T

is alana your alt or main account?
asking because you’ve implying having played here before but i don’t recognize you

allright

@Vulgard

i feel like once this happens, my eyes are going to open wider than ever before, and i will gain new, untold insight into alana’s alignment

@Vulgard

oh i replied to alana while talking about her in third person lmao

I feel like this is important but I cant put my tongue on it

@Vulgard

@Marluxion

this

i’ve seen this post pretty often from wolves playing on a new site

with is i just want some actual content
same with nutella really
and illwei
nutella i feel is gut v but the other two are just null

mild v pings from zori over the reads she’s given but that’s about it
kyubey retracting the neut claim doesn’t do anything for me either

i think alana’s posting has improved but i haven’t metadived her yet which i should probably do soon

/vote Kyubey @Nyarchmage

so they bussed Alana and then moved to kyubey…

looks good for kyubey?

bussing and then townreading is another option

maybe they just aren’t mainly bussing

maybe they tried to signal in another way

@Vulgard

@Wisdom

why are you vanity voting Arctic?

I think the dude is mafia and the consensus is wrong
I feel like wolves are in control of the thread and that worries me immensely

I often have this feeling and am correct, especially on day 1, but nobody ever listens to me

I think Arctic is mafia because I haven’t agreed with any of his pushes (I think Arete and Wazza are town), because I don’t think he’s been super villagery (I have high standards for him because I think he’d try hard here as either alignment but as town he’d be an easier townread), and because he called me w/w with windward for me calling her a potential like pocketer, which is what she was trying to do to both me and Arctic in the clonedvitational where me and arctic masoned

Arctic claiming he couldn’t have known what I was referring to is something I don’t believe at all and it felt like a snap response to discredit me; the only pause I have is that he didn’t actually push me harder for it, but started reconsidering my slot instead, which I’m not sure how to feel about. I actually kinda see why he would call my like-pocket statement about WWA W/W, but it feels like a bizarre interpretation coming from him, when he should know I’m stating something that could very well be true; at the very least, it felt openly uncharitable. I probably overstated the importance of that response in my snap reaction earlier, but I do think it’s AI

there’s a part of me that wonders if I just have a terrible handle on the game, wolves are something like Wazza/Wisdom/Arete + a few others, and I’m wolfsiding hard; in that world Arctic would probably be town as well

I feel like I can’t do anything about the wagons, either, because everybody is throwing susses or wolfreads on me for going against the grain - which I don’t think has ever been alignment indicative for me, but I guess people aren’t obligated to know that

if I were to continue with my worldview, I would name people like Marshal/JC/Arctic/maybe some overlooked yet sufficiently loud slots and have been receiving no serious scrutiny but still have made significant pushes on people I townread, like nightingale

marshal/JC are probably not W/W because of how marshal framed her read on me, but both their reads on me have been bad, and I have consistently disagreed with their direction

that said, at this point I’m inclined to just sheep the consensus - and if it’s wrong, I’ll collectively blame all of you for not listening to me, even though I’m trying my best to be towny so I don’t get eternally tinfoiled again like in the last fol invitational

the “don’t get tinfoiled” part didn’t exactly work so far, given the sheer number of wolfreads, wolfleans, and/or w/w pairings I’ve been a part of, so I’m honestly rather tilted but I’m trying not to allow it to affect my gameplay

if you’re still unwilling to pay any amount of attention to my takes, i’ll level with the consensus for a day phase or two, and if you’re wrong, then maybe you’ll listen to me

the legacy of my worldview is this: arete/wisdom/wazza all town and this direction is a huge mistake. JC/marshal has a wolf but probably not together. arctic is probably a wolf, nightingale/moonwink probably contains at least one because I think both have been decidedly not towny and yet have caught no scrutiny (watch this be deemed “denying townreads on villagers” again).

Alana/kyubey/is are the most noteworthy lowposters because they genuinely haven’t done much to convince me they’re town; alana is the closest to achieving that, but I still think their ISO so far is within the wolfrange of someone with 50 games of experience. I still haven’t metadived Alana because I kept getting distracted by the people here (for obvious reasons) and I later got too tired to think about this game. I’ll do that today.

laserpointer/millium/hippo/bladescape/marl/probably nutella/maybe mistyx still town. wwa I’m currently still conflicted about, I think she could swing either way, but I like the fact she actually seems to be listening to me. could be a pocketing wolf, could just be a villager, I can’t tell for sure.

squirrel and illwei. illwei I think should be within both her ranges, while squirrel’s wolfrange I simply don’t know. squirrel’s play has been unimpressive, but I’ve seen him get pushed for being unimpressive when he was town. it’s possible he’s just another wolf target.

if this post doesn’t convince you I’m town and trying to solve the game, then I don’t know what will. I joked about having an infinite wolfrange earlier, but I don’t actually think it’s infinite.

if you have any questions, ask. for now, i’m still going to keep my vote on arctic. it’s possible that i’m embarrassingly wrong and me projecting these amounts of confidence has been a colossal, thread-derailing mistake; it’s possible that the consensus is correct and I’ve been actively wolfsiding. in that case I will take a fat L and I will never project confidence again because it simply has never worked for me.

the only reason I’m projecting such confidence now is because I have a sinking feeling about the consensus being wrong, particularly since I haven’t agreed with any cases about the three main suspects. so if there’s anything I really want you to remember - especially if I’m right on arete/wisdom/wazza - it’s this post. wolves will probably kill me at some point if I’m right, but not if I’m still a common wolfread, so.

let’s not do this anymore.

I think this entire wallpost is uh

self explanatory and I dont feel like reading it again to acknowledge it

@Vulgard

i’m just going to do the alana meta now and probably won’t engage anymore
i still want to kill jc more than anyone atm

“__” meta

did they do this to anyone else?

@Vulgard

wwa can be a villager for now
reading alana games rn

this feels .
weh

@Vulgard

takeaways from checking alana meta:

• her reads look similar as both alignments. the main difference i found is that she gives fewer early thoughts as mafia, and they’re often centered around defending people / questioning the reads of others, rather than giving reads on people.
• she solves more early on as town. consistently across these games, i had the thought that town alana takes a more active role in solving, earlier. it’s possible that some of this can be attributed to differences between mafia cafe and our site; our site features a lot of posts, especially this game. but alana hasn’t said anything like “there are too many posts,” so i don’t feel like she has a problem with this.
• can’t be read on posting frequency/presence. i found alana’s posting frequency and presence equal as both alignments. i can’t determine if she has a postcount tell, because i haven’t found a way to check people’s postcounts in a game on mafia cafe, but by posting frequency, she seems unpolarized and more dependent on irl than anything. this is my least confident conclusion, but i do still think it applies.

based on these cliffs, i actually think alana’s a wolf here, specifically for her early-game approach. it seems much closer to how she plays as mafia than to how she plays as town.

@alana if something about your play got lost on me while i was checking your posts on mafia cafe, do tell. but i don’t think i’ve missed anything significant, unless it has to do with your long-term play.

what makes you town in this game?

big post on partner

did she do something like this for her other ones? does this mean that this post is another bad look for marissa due to a similarly important framed post towards marshal?

theres still alot of “I read this from Alana” basically and I wanna know if they’ve done this to someone else

@Vulgard

@Illwei

sadge

i was in watership showdown tho!!!

school of rock is one of my favorite scumgames i played

oh yeah i actually have one more question
do you have literally anything to say about my meta assessment of alana
you just implied you’d played with her before. so you should be able to engage with that

good or bad look? what do u guys think?

does vulgard try and convince villagers that Alana is wolf, or do they try and signal to their partner with this?

anyway, that is over. I have some questions so id like some people to answer and give their takes

after reading this marshal I am fine with killing today, plus arctic looks better and millium looks semi better as well

[Kyubey]

marl
it’s okay
I know you lied
the game said there was no VT’s
and the game isn’t bastard

[Chloe]

@Arctic

@nightingale

alana was sitting pretty and in the discussion on the squirrel wagon right up until we cfd’d marsh
the entire wagon except her joined
and she just dropped out fo thread for eod

also she was repping a townread on arete so was voting squirrel, but then when squirrel made a villagery post she showed frustration and said she wanted to move but didn’t go to marshal who she had a light scumread on

she’s managed to just
avoid voting marshal as much as possible
idk

this
yes
this
ty

[Squirrel2412]

are you part of spec chat?

[Marshal]

I hardclaim flavor ranmilia role town godfather

its clear town and wolves are both down w/ my death I think it’s wrong atp to fight it

if there’s automatic punishment for flavorclaim I hope to absorb it / show that

[BS4215]

correct

[Wazza]

Part of me wants to leave Marshal until tomorrow

[Wazza]

The other part of me is getting SFoL53 nightmarish flashbacks

[Kyubey]

I just want everyone to know that marshal is clearly trolling here cuz they have zero direction rn

[Marshal]

all of the brave soldiers itt calling me mafia

[Marluxion]

Wazza did you not shoot anyone

[Marshal]

truly saying what nobody else has o7

[Wazza]

that’s what being one shot means

[nightingale]

no hating
no kills
no poison
do you think we had a global roleblocker?

[min]

that

would be
uh

[Kyubey]

@Chloe did you replace someone or did you just get yourself added to the game

[nightingale]

i mean
for at least 4 seperate things to simultaniously coincidentally all fail would be equally uh

[Chloe]

marshal has done a total of 0 towncore building or Clearing LHF Players

she has not done a single villagery thing this game outside of AtE

alana spew looks godawful for her
alana literally like straight up said shes the same alignment as marshal and yes i 100% believe that was a slip
alana avoided voting marshal at every moment when she definitely could have (also i think squirrel is just town bc of wagonomics btw)
occam’s razor re:mechanics point towards her
why does alana visit v!marshal jsut to 180 her read the next day
the visit would be some sort of frame or like jailkeep/doc to stop a vig shot
but even then… why lol

arete died a martyr and we’re gunna listen to them

[Wazza]

clearly she’s added to the game