Poor Approximations of Catgirls - Thread 1

[nutella]

feelin pretty directionless

i may simply stop trying

[WindwardAway]

I refuse to believe it’s objectively bad to vote Marshal
But nobody is selling me on why she’s town
Just parroting everyone else by saying vaguely that her macro is good and Vulgard wouldn’t vote a partner is far from what I’d call convincing reasons
Convince me what she’s done that benefits town. Give specific examples. Make me believe that you guys actually believe what you’re saying instead of handwaving, because you can absolutely misclear a wolf and set them up to endgame this way, and I don’t want that to happen with any slots, including but not limited to Marshal.

[nutella]

i most likely die without ever having had respectable and committed takes

ain’t that just the way

[nutella]

@WindwardAway

I refuse to believe it’s objectively bad to vote Marshal
But nobody is selling me on why she’s town
Just parroting everyone else by saying vaguely that her macro is good and Vulgard wouldn’t vote a partner is far from what I’d call convincing reasons
Convince me what she’s done that benefits town. Give specific examples. Make me believe that you guys actually believe what you’re saying instead of handwaving, because you can absolutely misclear a wolf and set them up to endgame this way, and I don’t want that to happen with any slots, including but not limited to Marshal.

she pulled a ton of vul spew last night beyond the voting stuff that looked good for her on multiple fronts imo

i also just really townread her on a lot of micro post stuff idk

[Mistyx]

/vote Squirrel2412 @Nyarchmage

idr wanna go wind here i think

[WindwardAway]

Like seriously, if you guys continue to say voting Marshal is bad because Vulgard’s spew makes her town, it isn’t a stronger argument than how I’m saying I think she’s spewed wolf from Vulgard. It’s just two opposite interpretations meaning that it actually isn’t crystal clear.

If you’re going to argue back with a subjective interpretation and tell me my read is bad and wrong without giving examples, then vote me and I’ll thunderdome Marshal.

[WindwardAway]

I’m not even completely set on locking marshal as a wolf but the arguments toward her being town have not been good arguments.

[WindwardAway]

What’s the current case against Squirrel?
Last I left off, I said he was one of my townleans, but I ISO’d him now instead of going to sleep and there are a couple things I’m a little sketched out by

On the other hand there are some things that I think point away from him being a wolf but I need to give it more thought

[Mistyx]

i thought his post on wazza was wolfy yesterday and he’s been basically coasting through the poe without doing much

[WindwardAway]

Which post was it? I’ll take a look if you know roughly where it was

[Mistyx]

Poor Approximations of Catgirls [Day 2 - 20/23]

finished rereading wazza’s iso jc’s town if she spews wolf - I don’t think she’s this combative with her wolf partners, nor that scum would decide to bus this early. they could be town/town, but the sheer volume of shade she’s thrown on jc isn’t scum theatre imo I’m uneasy about the wazza push since I’d expect more people to push me as the cw if wazza’s wolf - the general ambivalence about which of us goes over is concerning because I think it’s more indicative of t/t than w/t granted, it’s n…

[WindwardAway]

Also idr how much I said about Vulgard’s vote on Squirrel but there was a brief vote on Squirrel kinda early in the day and then it got moved, and never went back to Squirrel even when Squirrel was being wagoned against Arete, whom Vulgard claimed to townread

So spew looks bad for Squirrel but I wanna make sure that’s actually a correct interpretation

[WindwardAway]

That’s a heck of a lot of preflipping for an early post

[Nyarchmage]

TARGET	VOTES	VOTED BY
WindwardAway	3/11	Arctic (#5851); LASERpointer (#5769); Marluxion (#5340)
Wazza	5/10	alana (#6015); bladescape (#5963); Hippopablompoyeetus (#5578)
Mistyx	3/11	Illwei (#6141); Millium (#6103); min (#5385)
Squirrel2412	2/11	Mistyx (#6146); Wisdom (#4893)
bladescape	1/11	nutella (#5100)
Hippopablompoyeetus	1/11	Wazza (#4633)
BS4215	1/11	Marshal (#5244)
Marshal	1/10	WindwardAway (#6114)
Not Voting	5	BS4215; Kyubey; Moonwink; nightingale; Squirrel2412

[WindwardAway]

I need to cross check that vote progression with Vul’s reads and see if there are inconsistencies

Not gonna do it right now but feel free to remind me if I forget

[WindwardAway]

@Vulgard

there’s one post from squirrel i really disliked but other than that i think squirrel has been fine

Nvm I remembered I had this saved for easy access

JC had Squirrel at the bottom of his readlist
Vulgard just made this comment and didn’t say exactly where Squirrel was, but apparently it wasn’t worth putting him into the townread section which is weird

Will follow up later on what Vulgard gave as a reason when he voted Squirrel

Gonna try to sleep again

[Millium]

same

[Illwei]

I would also vote wind

[Squirrel2412]

I’m giving up on quoting everything from vulgard’s iso

I’ll post what I have on arctic spew but after that it’ll be more condensed

arctic

@Vulgard

@Arctic

contemplating burying myself further just to get the thread to actually do something before i go to sleep

I didn’t think Arctic was a wolf until this post
this post implies Arctic both knows he’s being wolfy and he’s doing that on purpose which I really can’t see him doing as a villager

nothing else really stands out to me in the first 100 posts which is weird because usually I get like 5 reads off people’s openers but not this time I guess

I think arctic’s opener was fine but the burying himself post was self-aware in a wolfy way so

/vote Arctic @Nyarchmage until I read the rest I guess

I don’t think he expects this vote to stick - especially that last sentence about reading the rest seems like it’s setting himself up to switch off of it and wants the vote there for visibility

@Vulgard

yeah illwei I do think Arctic is a wolf but I also think he should become obvious town by eod1 if I’m wrong so if he doesn’t I recommend killing him

I think his opener was fine but the way he handled thread pressure on him afterward felt like “ha. I’m a wolf.” which was really bad

next worst opener probably Alana because they didn’t really say anything and just left the thread after ~one post but I’m still reading so maybe they come back later

everyone else I’ve read so far NAI fmpov

shifting away from pushing arctic for the time being while still keeping a plausible reason to revisit the slot later and push it

you don’t really do that with bus targets imo

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@Moonwink

@Arctic

You’ve entered the thread shitting out rubbish in an attempt to seize control in the same way wolf you usually does

Your posts aren’t solving, they are antagonizing people, your reads don’t extend further than petty OMGUS and your jab at me is a good example of this. you didn’t comment on me before this, or marshal’s case on me, but you’ve taken a combative stance already because you don’t have any interest in solving my slot, just surviving
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Yo, Arctic might be scum. :3

hyena is a villager, that felt opportunistic to me too
i don’t think the wolfreads on wazza are warranted at all
i think her early posts are nai at worst and the things arctic described there are literally all in her townrange
this is particularly strange coming from arctic who has misread wazza on more than one occasion and yet projects thunderous confidence about her in p#235 which is dissonant with how he should be treating her slot

this isn’t a good look for wazza
but it’s mostly just arctic shade, which also points towards t!arctic

@Vulgard

oh yeah i’ve only read a few posts by alana so far but i think she’s an overlooked slot that likely flips mafia
her opener was weak, and yet it went by completely unnoticed, indicating that wolves didn’t feel the urge to harp on it

she randomly defends arctic here

@alana

Yea i don’t see what is scummy about Arctic’s posts. I have had plenty of games where I got scumread for trying to get the game out of fluff phase but then it ironically got the game out of fluff phase just not in the way I intended

which feels like tming his alignment in some way (not caring about the reasons people wolfread him much)

assumes v!arctic I think
if w!alana has tmi on w!arctic then she would definitely care about the reasons ppl wolfread him so she could defend him properly

@Vulgard

i want to say that arctic staying up past 4 AM to argue with marshal’s wolfread on him is village ai but i’m not sure if it actually is

@Vulgard

i lowkey want to tr everyone who stayed up past 4 AM to post but that would include arctic

this refusal to give arctic towncred doesn’t make sense if they’re w/w

especially since vulgard is a lw and wouldn’t want to get nked

@Arctic

its not fun because im being correctly wolfread

@Vulgard

didn’t you tell me that this always happens when you rand wolf in a game with a good playerlist
why is it surprising

more shade

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an aside: vulgard also engages with arctic a surprising amount, despite scumreading him
might be tmi t!arctic
or I could be reaching w/e

@Vulgard

I also feel like Windy is trying to pocket me with likes because she isn’t that villagery but I suppose that’s realistically NAI

@Vulgard

@Arctic

This is really bad and w/w lmao

okay well i take that back

/vote Arctic @Nyarchmage there is no way you actually believe this

@Vulgard

you have literally SEEN FIRSTHAND when wind did EXACTLY THAT to BOTH OF US in a game and yet you supposedly think we’re w/w because i commented on this being a possibility

you are a wolf

@Vulgard

i am not taking my vote off arctic he needs to die

@Vulgard

leaving thread glgl
might post tomorrow but i think arctic outed himself with that take

@Vulgard

he has literally seen this exact thing happen but not only does he call me mafia for saying that but he also pairs me with wwa for ??? reasons

if arctic flips wolf wwa is probably town

a lot of posturing, but he doesn’t actually engage anybody else to get them to change their votes
odd since arctic was nowhere near a viable wagon (2 votes, including his own) and seems to indicate that he didn’t really care about flipping arctic

@Vulgard

@Wisdom

why are you vanity voting Arctic?

I think the dude is mafia and the consensus is wrong
I feel like wolves are in control of the thread and that worries me immensely

I often have this feeling and am correct, especially on day 1, but nobody ever listens to me

I think Arctic is mafia because I haven’t agreed with any of his pushes (I think Arete and Wazza are town), because I don’t think he’s been super villagery (I have high standards for him because I think he’d try hard here as either alignment but as town he’d be an easier townread), and because he called me w/w with windward for me calling her a potential like pocketer, which is what she was trying to do to both me and Arctic in the clonedvitational where me and arctic masoned

Arctic claiming he couldn’t have known what I was referring to is something I don’t believe at all and it felt like a snap response to discredit me; the only pause I have is that he didn’t actually push me harder for it, but started reconsidering my slot instead, which I’m not sure how to feel about. I actually kinda see why he would call my like-pocket statement about WWA W/W, but it feels like a bizarre interpretation coming from him, when he should know I’m stating something that could very well be true; at the very least, it felt openly uncharitable. I probably overstated the importance of that response in my snap reaction earlier, but I do think it’s AI

this post is the most concentrated effort vulgard makes to get arctic out, but it’s also the last post that he makes that ever makes about arctic

instead, he starts going after jc (probably not as a legitimate wagon attempt, but more about discrediting him) and alana

tl;dr:
arctic is still town - vulgard shades him at every opportunity he can get, which feels like he was trying to discredit arctic and diminish his thread influence
he never really fully commits to pushing arctic, which makes me think that he was mostly testing the waters to see if arctic was a viable wagon rather than attempting to bus

[nutella]

why are you spending this much effort towncasing the most consensus lock town in the game ???