Poor Approximations of Catgirls - Thread 1

[Marluxion]

as an example, icibalus is waaaay easier to solve when she’s being emotional

it’s so easy to call her out when she’s faking it but it’s also way more convincing for her being town when she’s being genuine

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ohh

so like, its just easier to tell what alignment I am during being emotional then

[Wazza]

@Wazza

Alright, time to make some of my comments and save the rest for when it isn’t 1am

@Arctic by the way, here’s my post about the topposters since you wanted me to give my reads

[Marluxion]

yup

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ig I understand, but I still wanna practice on tilting less cuz its really not worth it idk if that makes sense

[Kyubey]

I read part of the case that Arete made on marshal, but I have to rely on what I’m being told in order to believe that Marshal is a wolf since a lot of the points against them is that Marshal is playing in their wolf meta
@WindwardAway I have less than thirty posts, seeing the reason I voted you would have been incredibly by just…looking at my posts? The fact that you repped a read on me when I’m not convinced that you have even read my posts is really bad

[Arctic]

@Wazza

JC I don’t trust since towards the start of the game he used lousy excuses to back himself out of a question and I’ve still not let that go down as he’s proceeded to contradict himself the rest of the day.

can you elaborate on how your JC read has progressed
what has been contradictory about his later posting? i understood this initial read but your attachment to it feels a little stilted without being able to see what you’re seeing

@Wazza

Arctic has a weird slot, I really liked Marshal’s justification against his slot after I was brought up into the argument (still don’t know why I got dragged in) but apart from that I like the fact he’s trying to lead the game, although I’m not buying into it fully as it’s comparatively different from the game he led town into many different, someone also brought up a point that his act from the game he last pushed on me for meta reasons he said he’d drop it or something along those lines yet this game he doesn’t seem to have learnt his lesson at all

i don’t really understand what this is saying to be honest
how am i leading differently? what is the point about pushing you for meta reasons?

[Wazza]

@Arctic

what has been contradictory about his later posting?

well the contradictory part is the fact he just
didn’t follow the time constraint thing he made, I wouldn’t care about this if it wasn’t for the fake he used this time constraint thing as an argument to not explain where he stands on stuff about the game.

@Arctic

can you elaborate on how your JC read has progressed

His presence in the thread got worse and worse the more it went on, he stuck heavily on me despite the fact he read me as scum after 2 posts, never further elaborated and only constantly said I was scum, he made other scumreads yet he didn’t even realistically try to push them he just constantly made posts about them and then he’s the top poster…how? I’ve noticed barely any substantial content from him and literally all of his scumreads are players who have scumread him which I dislike greatly because it shows a lack of care in the reads. If someone is basing their reads solely of who is scumreading them then to me it feels like a lackluster player as either alignment, not much of a threat socially as scum, but toxic to the town as town so to me his death doesn’t impact me no matter what he flips (even though I’m confident he’d flip scum)

@Arctic

how am i leading differently?

@Wazza

although I’m not buying into it fully as it’s comparatively different from the game he led town into many different

The last different is meant to say “mislynches”, by the way as I was talking about the game where I was scum and everyone was sheeping you for no reason, I don’t know how tf I put the word different instead.

Although. this game you seem confident on your reads, you’re directly full attention onto them and you’re trying to bring people in, comparing it to the game where you led the town, your attitude around your pushes was drastically different, in that game you considered many possibilities, in this game, you’re triggerhappy with your reads as if you’re buying full confidence onto them in a matter of seconds, I’m not a fan of it whatsoever.

@Arctic

what is the point about pushing you for meta reasons?

The point about pushing me for meta reasons is the fact you instantly opened up with talking about how I’m trying to seize thread control, something you notoriously only say when you talk about my meta because you know what I try to do as scum and that’s take over the thread and get thread control, although later on I feel like this is contradicted considering you’ve had to poke me to actually do stuff but meh.

Talking about that though, what are your reads on Marshal, Arete and myself? I’m including the first two since I can’t help but feel they’re going to become a vocal point today and I’ll probably get thrown in there at some point for no reason, but also I need to see how your read has developed on me and Marshal specifically.

[Arctic]

thanks, need to go to class but i’ll respond later

[JohnCarter]

@JohnCarter

Shrug/die:
InternetStranger (if w, arctic probably isn’t)
Kyushu

Naughty Dogs
Vulgard (particulary if arete/wisdom w/w imo)
Arete
Wisdom
Wazza
Squirrel

Was re-reading since I posted this.
Didn’t change my mind.

Was re-reading since ~24h when I posted p/ much the same POE.
Haven’t changed my mind since then either.

Think it’s a good solve as a starting point. Would be surprised if the bottom 5 didn’t have 4 wolves.

See you for EOD.

[WindwardAway]

@Wazza

You don’t think it’s possible a town member could kill you?

I wouldn’t bet on it. For one, there are better vig shots than me. Additionally, I believe wolves have extra kp, and I don’t know how likely it is that town also has extra kp. And if I’m wrong and the wolves don’t have extra kp, we have a serial killer.

@alana

Also speaking of ties can we not tie wagons at EoD without a good reason? It said that scum decides who get lynched

If that’s true then yeah, better to avoid a tie for now. I didn’t realize scum had an advantage in ties. I could see this possibly working in our favor later in the game, but definitely not this early. No need to really discuss why I think that, and I might be wrong, but if I’m still alive in a couple days I’ll elaborate.

Gonna use the rest of this post to chew through Kyubey’s ISO cause I wanted to reply to them and also get a read on their slot simultaneously.

@Kyubey

The people I wanted to investigate first were Wind/Arete, because of the way that Wind reacted to Arete, it felt different compared to how they reacted to Arctic (granted, I have only read 400 posts and some of Wind’s ISO, and no one wants to give me cliff notes and instead wants to complain about how I asked for clff notes and dipped)

This is true
I have more experience playing with Arctic than Arete, and I’ve misread Arete previously but not Arctic.
Ftr I only complained about you asking for cliffs and dipping because it was inconsistent with your incredulity at being a suggested vig target - if you want people to read you properly, shouldn’t you reflect that in your posts? Even if you can’t be around, it would be nice to see that you’re making some sort of effort to interact with people in realtime if you don’t have the time to put in for backreading this monster of a thread.

@Kyubey

@WindwardAway

That’s why I asked if Arete was just mega RTing in the thread

Because half the stuff they said didn’t quite seem real
Idk, not all their posts look so bad, but I get what you’re seeing, more or less

I have read further down their ISO and I found the reasoning for why they called it a reaction test. I don’t think a villager sees reads that they visw as fake and their first instinct is that the person is reaction testing.

OK, so you did see my response to that, sorry I missed this earlier. I see reads I view as so completely off that I can’t tell whether they’re fake or not, because they’re blatantly untrue but not even in an AI way. Would you, as a wolf, intentionally misrep how you view someone’s emotional state in the thread (i.e. Arete saying Marl felt flat) and think it would make you sound towny? I was wondering if it could be an RT because it elicited quite a lot of “wtf” reactions out of various people, including myself, and also Marl. Similarly, things happened with Arete’s take on JC. The key for me in that was that people reacted from their gut as soon as they read Arete’s post, and while I think it’s possible that entire thing was unintentional and not meant to get reactions, it did get reactions out of people.
So either you’re entirely missing my point about the reactions being relevant to me thinking it could be a reaction test, or you’re a wolf purposely clinging to this as a reason to vote me since most of the thread is still not sold on me being town.

@Kyubey

Wind’s posts before this was “I don’t know, perhaps Arete is a wolf, they are acting like (insert game I don’t know)”, and it just feels like Wind has hesitated to call Arete a wolf for doing wolf things (or things that wind should probably find wolfy such as faking reads)
even this vote feels flat and it felt like they just felt compelled to vote there because they might as well

I death tunnelled Arete in a mountainous game and we wasted a day pushing each other and we were v/v. So yeah, if I didn’t sound confident on my read, it’s because I didn’t want a repeat of that incident. The reason I voted them in that post was because they were still my top scumread, but I had very few actual scumreads at the time. They were just someone I could point to and say that I thought they actually had wolfy posts because I didn’t understand the logic behind them.

@Kyubey

I read through all of wind’s posted. From my point of view the only problem I have with their content so far is the fact that they as a player have not actively pushed their wolf reads and barely reference the person the people they vote whenever they post in the thread. If I was to look at the reaction test post and try to explain to myself why they made it - it comes off as a wolf who notices a wolf making fake posts and trying to brush it off in a joking way - which explains why they haven’t actually committed to an Arete wolf read unless I missed something in that ISO.

That said - I feel like that is the only mark against their slot, and I actually have liked some of their posts (as long as we ignore what they aren’t doing). I liked the way they handled pressure and I liked the way they town read Arctic and stated that no matter what Arctic read on them is, they think Arctic is town. FMPOV town reading someone in that way is something wolves are more hesitant about doing.

That goes out the window if they are aligned but I’m not gonna question that rn

I haven’t actively pushed my wolf reads because none of them are particularly strong. At the moment, due to that, I’m way more interested in vouching for my townreads because I believe I have solid reasons to think each of them is town, whereas my reasons for thinking my scumreads are scummy are shakier and could be attributed to playstyle differences, misunderstandings, or a number of completely NAI things. I’m operating by building my towncore first and throwing the rest of the slots into my PoE, rather than actively focusing on wolfhunting.

Youre slightly wrong on the Arctic point - I would still state that as a wolf. Because we have a lot of experience reading each other, I’d be obligated to townread him in pretty much all cases, with the exception of if I legitimately thought he was wolfing. The last game I played with w!Arctic, he was w/w with me and we intentionally misread each other as town. I’m certain he knows I’d townread him regardless of my alignment if he’s town, and I don’t think he’d capitalize on it as a way to accuse me of wolfing if he’s actually a wolf and I’m misreading him. Rather, I think wolf!Arctic would use it as an excuse to skate under my radar and let me continue misreading him because my read will hold a decent amount of weight later in the game if he’s still alive.

@Kyubey

Just for the sake of mind - why did you view Wind as townie in your wall posts? I assume it’s meta that I’m unaware, but I don’t actually know why you slotted them as town.

Unfortunately I can’t find who this was in response to, but if anyone knows, just ping me so I can follow up on it because it’s probably worth reading. Won’t do it right away but I’ll try to look in a bit.

So
I don’t really see a reason why Kyubey voted me, unless they just wanted to test the waters and they decided I’m wolfier than Arete (whom they said they would ISO but I didn’t see much, if any, commentary on yet).
Right now I’m of the opinion that Kyubey is either town, or specifically a skilled wolf who can emulate solving pretty well. I don’t think I’ve seen enough to towncore them but I don’t think any of their posts have seemed agenda’d to the point where I can’t just write it off as a light misunderstanding (I know I commented on one of those posts up there).

@Kyubey

I read part of the case that Arete made on marshal, but I have to rely on what I’m being told in order to believe that Marshal is a wolf since a lot of the points against them is that Marshal is playing in their wolf meta
@WindwardAway I have less than thirty posts, seeing the reason I voted you would have been incredibly by just…looking at my posts? The fact that you repped a read on me when I’m not convinced that you have even read my posts is really bad

Sorry, I’ve been trying to reply to your posts for like ten minutes now. That’s my fault lol.
On the other hand, it looked like your conclusion was that I wasn’t specifically wolfy, so I still don’t understand what ultimately made you vote me.

[Wazza]

I know I said condense your posts but jesus christ

[JohnCarter]

@Wazza

If someone is basing their reads solely of who is scumreading them then to me it feels like a lackluster player as either alignment, not much of a threat socially as scum

You’re the type of player to get caught game after game then say that people weren’t wolf reading you for the right reasons and so they’re bad, aren’t you?

Those types always amuse me.

[Wazza]

@JohnCarter

You’re the type of player to get caught game after game then say that people weren’t wolf reading you for the right reasons and so they’re bad, aren’t you?

I win most games as wolf by surviving to F3 so
no, I don’t really get caught to begin with, something you should probably learn about

[Kyubey]

@WindwardAway

That’s my fault lol.
On the other hand, it looked like your conclusion was that I wasn’t specifically wolfy, so I still don’t understand what ultimately made you vote me.

Johncarter tricked me into voting someone by suggesting that I was a mechanic and I needed to bite someone in order to prove that I wasn’t…sneaky bastard

[Wazza]

Kyubey, your reads, can you post them?

[JohnCarter]

Small fish in small puddle energy. Chuckled.

Makes me react the same way everyone did to this:

Goodnight everyone.

[Kyubey]

I still haven’t figured out a majority of reads; fortunately I have a lot more time today in order to do that

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yall need to make shorter posts

[Wazza]

How many games have you played of mafia?