Prehistoric Purgatory - Game Over: Town wins

[Trochilidae]

okay gtg for real ping if needed

[Zone_Q11]

Homework Part 4.1: Aelin's P#965.

@Aelin

So, obviously, if you haven’t noticed I started the game with a simple goal in mind, and that was to get specific reactions from specific people, those people being Brad and Tro. I took two different approaches but they were necessary to complement each other. For Tro, who has a constant edge of paranoia on my slot whenever they rand town, I decided to do my best to feed into that paranoia by blatantly pocketing them. Meanwhile, for Brad, I decided to constantly pressure him and see how much he would fall away as he has seen my towngame and how quickly I can leap onto results from interactions, but he was still willing to interact, even looking back and reaching out to me when he remembered something relevant to our previous interaction. Overall, he responded pretty well, but SDA came in and kinda butted in the middle of it in what could easily have been a defensive attempt for a scumbuddy. This worries me because despite my objectively scummy start, SDA was very quick to dismiss me as town doing… something? which leads me to think that this could be textbook TMI and is leading to some hesitance on Brad’s alignment. Tro, on the other hand… didn’t react to my blatant pocketing at all, except in a way that just seemed accepting and almost prideful? Like “yeah, good, you should be townreading me” and I think that’s highly scum!AI from them. An easy way to showcase this is hydra vig 10’er, a recent game where we were T/T and despite my slot being objectively one of, if not the towniest slots D1 they still felt obsessive paranoia throughout the game and here it wasn’t mentioned until Rue brought it up.

Later note on brad: his openwolfy stuff feels weird

and also he literally just townread every single person in a thread that i felt at least had a medium wolf presence which is worrying

Onto further reactions: Rue slot feels good, which I mentioned earlier, but I specifically like them due to how quickly they went “this doesn’t seem right” because that was the exact effect I was going for (see me talking about how i was trying to get good reactions and them basically going “what youre doing is dumb” and me breaking character in response), but i dont think its entirely out of their scumrange. Hippo came into thread and immediately called it out as well but i might be getting pocketed by them liking 29 of my posts

lol also came into thread and made a snapread of me/brad being w/w, and i vaguely liked it, but that definitely wasnt the more offputting of my two main interactions so im a little hesitant to afford towncred to them there

Beyond that: while i was around, wazza seemed very disjointed from the thread, and i dont really have a conclusion on that but just felt like it should be noted

I dont really like what zone’s been doing? It hasnt been bad, it just… hasnt been anything, yk yk? It feels like he just exists solely to ignore thread

Beyond that he was definitely talking to me as if assuming that i was town

But when i asked him to make a read on me he said i was null

I feel like im feeding too far into buzzwords or maybe im just trying to milk something out of all my interactions but this feels like tmi and something i need to go back and read into more

I don’t want to dismiss gorta as just gorta’ing

but

gorta is gorta’ing

Kiiruma’s reaction to my vote on him is almost entirely what i expected from a pettiness standpoint, and it matches up with what i think he’d do as v here so him getting stuck and annoyed on it is a good look

Lucky has also been weird in such a way that it feels like he can’t decide what to do with me

I havent really looked into his interactions with anyone else

But he keeps going back and forth, first talking about how my poe/hell/heaven ideas were weird

then later agreeing on the concept

and then later, not towards me, talking about sending rue to heaven which goes against it and i dislike the flip-floppiness

Anyway

/vote Trochilidae @Host_Account_1

Quick answer: After reading "Meanwhile, for Brad, I decided to constantly pressure him", I already refuse to believe that Aelin is mafia.

Long answer: After completely reading the entire post, I feel like I have read pure thought process with zero agenda. I have come to the conclusion that Aelin is town.

Homework Part 4.2: Rue's case on Aelin.

• P#556 Rue’s thought exercise already had Aelin around the bottom.
• P#858 Rue voted Aelin for pressure.
• P#861 Rue explained Aelin’s push on Brad is performative.
• P#877 Rue asked Trochi’s thoughts on Aelin; answered in P#882.
  TL;DR Trochi hedged Aelin as town because of lack of content.

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• P#1259 Rue chased Kiiruma/lol/Moose away from Aelin after reading P#965.
• P#1271 Kiiruma explained that the reason he switched his vote quickly was because his OG vote on Aelin was petty.
• P#1300 Rue explained lol that Aelin’s P#965 is -essentially- too much effort to have come from mafia.
• P#1542 Rue mentioned how she didn’t like Kiiruma’s move (Aelin → Lucky) without mentioning Derps or elaborating further on Aelin. (…wait. Didn’t he literally do that in P#1271?)
• P#1553 Trochi agreed with Rue, regarding Lucky being spewed town. (AFAIK, Rue didn’t answer Trochi’s question about Lucky’s wagon though…)

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• P#1586 Rue’s readlist. (Aelin’s at lower-null.)
• P#2342 Rue’s readlist. (Aelin’s at townlean.)

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• P#2910 Rue mentioned how Aelin’s defense on Derps at P#197 is scummy.
• P#2914 Lucky agreed with Rue about w!Aelin.

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• P#2942 Rue (essentially) asked why Aelin wanted to quickhammer dota at P#2839.
• P#2948 Aelin claimed P#2839 was intended as a joke.
• P#2952 Rue did not interpret P#2839 as a joke.
• P#3031 "I thought Aelin’s vote on dota and response to my questions surrounding it was wolfy." The literal core reason why I started this investigation.

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• P#3036 (Basically,) Brad did a 180 on his Aelin townread, because his original reason to townread Aelin is "I don’t think she’d act this way towards people as mafia"
• P#3041 Confirmed: Brad original reason to townread Aelin is because of the (arguably stereotypical) mindset of "mafia would more likely play along with Brad's townlock because they want to pocket him". (I personally believe this to be a flawed mindset.)

Conclusion:
Continuing Homework Part 3, I really have to express once more that Brad’s logic makes no sense to me. Both his reason to scumread me and (formerly) townread Aelin are based on enforcing his archetypes unto us. It’s like a frog in a well. The logic is so bad, that I am starting to get tempted to send him to hell out of paranoia that he might be playing “the dumb town” as wolf.

As for Rue’s case on Aelin: I did not feel any (blatant) scummy vibes from their discussion. I don’t know what she wants to accomplish with pushing Aelin, but I pray that it is a town agenda.

/unvote @Host_Account_1

Question for Rue.

P#1430 (Basically,) Rue explains why Moose is towny.
…so why is Moose in “null” at P#1586 and in “upper POE” at P#2342?

[BradLand]

/unvote @Host_Account_1

Aelin probably town.

Zone is probably town as well coming from this phase.

[Aelin]

Could be convinced on a Brad vote

[Zone_Q11]

@BradLand

/vote: Aelin @Philosoraptor

Odd. You mentioned how your townread had been washed away by Rue’s logic at [P#3036 / 2022-03-29T05:39:00Z], so how come you only started to vote her at [P#3190 / 2022-03-29T17:56:00Z]?

You even had time to respond to my P#3057 at [P#3060 / 2022-03-29T07:40:00Z] and Porsche’s P#3068 at [P#3071 / 2022-03-29T09:25:00Z]], so it isn’t as if you don’t have the time to leave a vote on her.

So, why did you quite literally vote after I voted Aelin?

@Trochilidae

why tf is lol voting kiiruma
why are people voting dota (besides being dota)

lol is being a troll. (That, or he has the same sentiment as Rue when it comes to Kiiruma.)
dota is being unreasonable regarding his motive to vote Derps at Hell 1.

[BradLand]

Jesus christ Zone, reading comprehension isn’t your strength isn’t it?

I explained my legit reasoning like 10 minutes ago.

[Rue]

Don’t be rude.

[Host_Account_1]

Hell 2 - Votecount 7

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
dota	Lucky, Aelin, Porscha	3/7
Aelin	Trochilidae	1/7
Kiiruma	lol	1/7
Not Voting	dota, Hippo, Gorta, Kiiruma, Moose, Rue, Zone, BradLand	8

[BradLand]

Like literally my vote on Aelin was basically a “fuck off” vote and I joined the wagon because “why the fuck not” at that rate.

Low key have had enough of this game so I’m just doing whatever.

[BradLand]

Also the moment I actually start playing and outing reads I get shaded for it, so why the fuck do I bother?

[BradLand]

Of course no one is going to give a shit, no matter what.

[Rue]

Brad, take a break and clear your head.

[Zone_Q11]

Zone - Myself
Rue - Global townread

Aelin - P#3262
Gorta - P#3056
Moose - P#1430

Hippo - P#3192, Notes to self
Lucky - P#2789; P#3192, Side notes

Porscha - Brad and “whoever else townread Porscha” failed to convince me they are town
Kiiruma - I got nothing on this slot
lol - Troll, but seemingly has some form of logic
Trochi - I am blatantly sheeping Aelin on this one, and the fact that Trochi’s only voted Aelin when her wagon was forming (P#3198) is also scummy

Brad - P#3192, Notes to self; P#3262, Part 4.2
dota - P#2883

[Zone_Q11]

@BradLand

Jesus christ Zone, reading comprehension isn’t your strength isn’t it?

Well, I already mentioned multiple times that I consider myself as a moron…

[Trochilidae]

@Zone_Q11

Trochi - I am blatantly sheeping Aelin on this one, and the fact that Trochi’s only voted Aelin when her wagon was forming (P#3198) is also scummy

aelin townreads me get good

[Zone_Q11]

@BradLand

I explained my legit reasoning like 10 minutes ago.

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@BradLand

However Rue has made some points on how you’re approaching reads and I realized that I might’ve miscleared you for those reasons.

^ P#3218

@BradLand

NGL I might be voting you for last night and took Rue’s reasoning so…yeah you brought those points up and I realize you might be town.

^ P#3227

@BradLand

You complained about me joking around and acted like a jerk. So my vote is placed on you and just agreed with Rue as an excuse.

^ P#3232

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Regarding P#3218:

• Rue’s points were made at P#3036 which is at 2022-03-29T05:39:00Z.
• Your vote was made at P#3190 which is at 2022-03-29T17:56:00Z.

There is a minimum of 12 hours when you could have voted her after you have read Rue’s points.
P#3218 does not explain my question.

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Regarding P#3227 and P#3232:
From what I understand, you claim to have voted Aelin because of what happened “last night” and because Aelin complained about you joking around and acting like a jerk.

Here is the full context, starting from Rue’s vote, all the way to your vote:

@Rue

/vote Aelin @Host_Account_1

@Host_Account_1

Hell 2 - Votecount 4

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
dota	Lucky, Aelin, Porscha	3/7
Aelin	Rue	1/7
Not Voting	lol, dota, Hippo, Gorta, Kiiruma, Trochilidae, Moose, BradLand, Zone	9

@Zone_Q11

@Lucky

They weren’t though and Kiiruma you know if it wasn’t for my vote Wazza would still be here and some players may have scum read her.

To be more precise, it was you and Trochi who pulled Wazza out of the tie. If anything, it would be Moose whose vote actually mattered, since hers actually formed the tie.

As for “people scumreading Wazza”, it was mainly Gorta, lol, and yourself. (I mention lol because they liked your attempt at dissing Wazza at P#2524.)

As evident by Heaven 1’s Final VC, there were at least 4 people who townread Wazza, including myself, so I don’t see how you and your “some people who scumread Wazza” is a problem for Hell 2 in the event that you were the one who got sent to heaven.

@Zone_Q11

(I pray I won’t get misunderstood as a troll.)
@Rue, agenda or no?

@Rue

With regards to what?

@Rue

@Moose Can you elaborate on your vote choices once you have a chance?

@Zone_Q11

Aelin

@Rue

I have issues with her posts on a micro level, and I believe she does not have as nuanced of a worldview as she would as town.

@Aelin

Do you disagree with my conclusions?

@Zone_Q11

Rue, the value of a vote depends on the holder. I have you up high in my townread.
Compared to a troller’s vote, your vote matters significantly more to me than theirs.
…I’m sorry I have to beat around the bush, but I would like to know how serious you are right now.

@Rue

Not individually, except for your Zone read, but I find the ways you’ve been handling your conclusions wolfy.

@Rue

I do not make worthless votes, outside of at the very start of the game. My vote is serious, but it does not mean I am locked on Aelin being today’s elimination.

@Zone_Q11

Very well. For now, I will park my vote on Aelin and ISO her.

@Zone_Q11

/vote Aelin @Host_Account_1

@Aelin

What do you think’s wolfy about them? Or do you just mean the “quickhammer” thing?

@BradLand

/vote: Aelin @Host_Account_1

Within this context, Aelin has only posted twice:

• P#3183, when Aelin asked Rue whether the latter had disagreed with the former’s conclusions.
• P#3189, when Aelin asked Rue what part about Aelin’s way of handling her conclusions is scummy.

None of these are anywhere related to “Aelin being a jerk”.

TL;DR what the hell are you on about?

[Zone_Q11]

@Trochilidae

@Zone_Q11

Trochi - I am blatantly sheeping Aelin on this one, and the fact that Trochi’s only voted Aelin when her wagon was forming (P#3198) is also scummy

aelin townreads me get good

Fine. Aelin’s outdated read.
It doesn’t change the fact that I don’t like the sudden jump onto Aelin’s wagon,
nor does it change the fact that I won’t vote you today since Brad and dota are scummier than you are.

[Zone_Q11]

Speaking of those two, I might as well start the vote now.

/vote BradLand @Host_Account_1

[dota]

My reason is as mentioned in P#2741: According to my interpretation P#1342, dota originally voted Lucky because lol voted Lucky. When dota noticed that lol was no longer voting Lucky, they switched their vote to Derps, which happened to be the vote inbetween Brad’s vote and Porsche’s vote.

wow you scumread me because of random stuff? unlucky, caught for the wrong reasons

[Lucky]

Zone voting Brad is lol.