Prehistoric Purgatory - Game Over: Town wins

[Lucky]

And yes I also know there is a good possibility Rue isn’t thinking as well as she can be here but like I just find it odd.

[Moose]

@Wazza

Chances are we send town to hell so I think our priorities should be on deciding who to send to heaven when the time comes for it, not to mention I don’t think scum care if they’re sent to hell here as they have 2 to drop

basically
drop any chance for people to be townread by bussing, focus on the plan for heaven phase 1 and kill your top scumread without heavily focusing on it

@Wazza

Zone isn’t 100% Good and I also don’t want to send an antitown to heaven

did you forget what the heaven people have to do

but then they wrote this:

@Wazza

If I stay in the main thread I refuse to help y’all solve

simple as

they had more posts that I agreed with that made sense, but they were wall posts and I don’t feel like full quoting those for obvious reasons

[Lucky]

Keep in mind if it wasn’t for me, Rue would have pushed Debil or Porscha over.

I hard pushed for Dota here.

[Kiiruma]

@Zone_Q11

Considering there are 6 voters and 4 mafia, I worry more about the fact that your POE contains of at least 5 players.

People need to get good, be towny and get out of PoE then.
So far I have like 3 solid town, a few tentative town and then internal screaming

[Lucky]

@Kiiruma
Do NOT vote me for Heaven tomorrow, I’m fact don’t vote me for any phase.

[Lucky]

In fact*

[Lucky]

@Kiiruma

People need to get good, be towny and get out of PoE then.

Yeah man.
You give good advice.
Now apply it to yourself.

[Lucky]

@Kiiruma

internal screaming

Which is not associated with me in anyway.

Thank You!

[Kiiruma]

@Lucky

Yeah man.
You give good advice.
Now apply it to yourself.

Et tu, Brute.

@Lucky

Which is not associated with me in anyway.

Thank You!

You literally are the most associated with it

[Lucky]

Well I mean if your wolf you know I’m just gonna consider that a compliment.

[Lucky]

Build up my Ego a bit.

[Lucky]

@Zone_Q11
Brad is town.
Trust me.

[Kiiruma]

@Lucky

Well I mean if your wolf you know I’m just gonna consider that a compliment.

*you’re

@Lucky

Build up my Ego a bit.

*ego (no need for capitalisation)
Also, uh, no.
Building up your ego is like trying to make a mountain higher than Everest.
It’s already at its natural limit, a limit which isn’t normal in comparison to many other things.

[Moose]

when did u hard push because im isoing you but I don’t see it?

[Zone_Q11]

Homework Part 5.1: Kiiruma Hell 1

• P#627 Kiiruma explained reads on Aelin/Brad/Zone
• P#638 Kiiruma left a placeholder-scumread on Trochi
• P#642 Kiiruma explained to Aelin she looks sus "based off the reasons to sus / push / vote [Kiiruma]"

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• P#859 VC #7; Zone(4)/Lucky(3)/Aelin(1)
• P#865 Kiiruma voted Aelin for pressure; Zone(4)/Lucky(3)/Aelin(2)

Why did Kiiruma not pressure me, or simply vote Lucky since he has "given up trying to apply logic there" (P#800) anyways?

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• P#880 Hippo not impressed with Gorta and mentioned maybe voting him
• P#881 Kiiruma stated “issues” with voting Gorta; Hippo never answered
• P#883 Trochi liked P#881

Why did Trochi like P#881?

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Homework Part 5.1.1: Kiiruma and Hell 1 votes

• P#1194 Moose voted Aelin, and “felt a tie coming up”; Lucky(3)/Derps(3)/Aelin(3)

Bruh. She was the one who made the tie in the first place.

• P#1195 Kiiruma felt a tie coming up, yet planned to keep vote on Aelin or switching to Lucky
• P#1250 VC #12; Derps(4)/Lucky(3)/Aelin(3)
• P#1252 Kiiruma gives reasons to “not like” Lucky

Given the context, this much is understandable
I don’t recall Lucky being super-duper useful around this time either

• P#1262 Kiiruma “forgot whether he had voted yet” but had "no reason to avoid main wagons" and voted Lucky; Derps(4)/Lucky(4)/Aelin(2)

It is very suspicious how Kiiruma “forgot” whether he had voted anyone or not, while knowing what the main wagons were.

• P#1265 Moose out of nowhere voted Lucky, and mentions how Derps "was never on her sus list"; Lucky(5)/Derps(4)/Aelin(1)

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• P#1271 Kiiruma had an unposted townlean on Trochi, and explained to Rue why he had switched votes
• P#1288 Kiiruma explained to Rue he townread Trochi because [meta]

Which posts of Trochi made Kiiruma townread her?

Homework Part 5.2: Kiiruma wants Lucky dead

• P#927 Kiiruma mentioned how Lucky is nonsensical

Yet he didn’t vote Lucky during Hell Phase until P#1262…

• P#2036 Kiiruma lashed out against Lucky for wanting to push Kiiruma to hell

I agree with Lucky’s P#2203; P#2306 is scummy
Also, I now know why he associated Kiiruma with Moose

• P#2169 Kiiruma (essentially) says LHF are sus, because his (main) POE was Gorta/Porscha/Moose and of course: Lucky
• P#2206 Kiiruma expressed great discontent about Lucky’s arrival
• P#2223 Lucky’s POE was Aelin/Wazza/(Kiiruma/Moose)
• P#2228 Lucky thought Trochi/Aelin are W/W, but is very uncertain
• P#2229 Kiiruma complained how Lucky’s scumread is his townread

P#2299

@Lucky

Yeah both Kiiruma and Zone don’t seem to care and want to send me to hell.
Both probably salty/paranoid about when I pocketed them in my last wolf game with them.
Least I know Zone is.

I believe this is why I got associated with Kiiruma

• P#2300 Kiiruma believed Lucky/Derps "don’t come across as unpartnered in any way"
• P#2326 Lucky made a case for Kiiruma; It never got answered

P#2661

@Kiiruma

I just think people keep understanding the capacity for things to be teamed.
There’s nothing that really clears them from being W/W
And even as wagons were developing and they were the lead 2 votes, Derps tried to CFD onto a totally different 3rd wagon… and even when that wasn’t working, didn’t bother going for a big push on Lucky.
Which to me shows a defeatist ‘Either one of us is going down right now, who’s more likely to be sent to Heaven for this’ attitude.

BULL. SHIT.

P#1128 VC #10: Lucky(4)/Zone(2)/Derps(2)/Aelin(1)/Trochi(1)
P#1218 VC #11: Lucky(3)/Derps(3)/Aelin(3)/Zone(1)/Trochi(1)
P#1250 VC #12: Derps(4)/Lucky(3)/Aelin(3)/Zone(1)/Trochi(1)/Moose(1)
P#1272 VC #13: Lucky(5)/Derps(4)/Aelin(1)/Zone(1)/Trochi(1)/Moose(1)
P#1353 VC #14: Derps(7)/Lucky(4)/Aelin(1)/Zone(1)/Trochi(1)
P#1390 VC #15: Derps(6)/Lucky(4)/Aelin(1)/Zone(1)/Trochi(1)/dota(1)
P#1394 Derps voted Lucky
P#1390 VC #16: Derps(6)/Lucky(5)/Aelin(1)/dota(1)

As wagons were developing, they were the two lead votes. That much is correct.
HOWEVER. Derps did not try to CFD to anyone, and went straight to vote Lucky.
I know this, because (a part of) the reason why Brad was on my ass this phase was because of the OTHER bullshit that is “Derps parked his vote on Zone, so they must be W/W! After all, Derps did say he would be chAOtiC this game!”

(How the hell did Lucky think in P#2687 that P#2661 was towny?)

• P#2665 Kiiruma argued that the reason why Lucky is hyperposting is to prevent [a minority of players who reads others by diving into their ISO] from reading Lucky

Which is nonsense, because if my memory / meta serves me correctly, then Lucky’s somewhat known for hyperposting

Homework Part 5.3: Kiiruma Heaven 1

• P#2093 Kiiruma wanting to send Wazza/Aelin/Trochi to heaven and Lucky to hell

When the heck did he ever give reasons to townread Wazza?

• P#2155 Kiiruma agreed with Wazza that Brad is weird but probably town
• P#2156 Kiiruma voted Wazza; Wazza(4)/Lucky(2)
• P#2669 Kiiruma maintaining his stance from P#2093
• P#2672 First instance of Kiiruma mentioning why Wazza is towny

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• P#2142 Kiiruma wanting to go to heaven
• P#2145 Kiiruma confirmed he wanted to subvert the expectation of “Kiiruma W”

NGL, “sending wolfy people to heaven” sounds like a bad idea objectively

• P#2297 Kiiruma stated that his intent to go to heaven was "a bit of a joke"

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P#2677

@Kiiruma

Ok just go on back to your scumchat before you go to sleep.
You’ve been trying to be townie, so that I’d realise at last you’re town, but this is all fake planning to get me to misclear you when I’ve been sussing you this whole time.

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GN

I can’t tell whether this is him openwolfing or just “joking”

Homework Part 5.4: Kiiruma Hell 2

P#2793

@Kiiruma

Alright, so, I see why some of yall are saying Lucky is locktown but I HIGHLY disagree because I feel like Seth’s change (followed by Trochi’s (bearing in mind Trochi is town (which means that I might be wrong and trochi may be scum))) at EoD was beyond weird.

They were due for being sent to heaven, changed all of a sudden because ‘We can’t let Wazza have control as wolf’ which I see as an attempted derpclear after Wazza flips town… and also to stay in thread a bit longer thinking that with them being cleared they can semi-carry their team.

If I’m right, it’s possible that in town’s discussions the wolves HAVE been mentioned a fair amount for being PoE or suspects which we might send to hell. And if this is the case then Seth knowingly had to stay in thread to try and control it a bit.

IDK I could just be overthinking but I’m getting bad vibes and have been having them fester over our break

I simply don’t like this post because of the words used, e.g. "If I'm right, it's possible [...]" followed by "IDK I could just be overthinking"

Wait a minute. Did Kiiruma scumslip by having TMI on Wazza?

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• P#2795 Rue asked Kiiruma to reconsider his POV as it was incredibly confirmation biased
• P#2796 Kiiruma admitted he is "biased to all fuck"
• P#2797 Trochi asked Kiiruma to try not being biased; Kiiruma never responded

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• P#3211 Kiiruma liked Trochi’s P#3198 where he asked why lol was voting Kiiruma, and why people were voting dota

What part of P#3198 was “likeable”?

• P#3449 Kiiruma hedging on dota, Porscha, Moose; Kiiruma continues with the confirmation bias

Conclusion:
I scumread Kiiruma.

[Kiiruma]

Boo

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Hell 2 - Votecount 14 (unchanged)

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
dota	Lucky, Aelin, Porscha, lol, Gorta, Moose	6/7
Aelin	Trochilidae	1/7
BradLand	Zone	1/7
Gorta	Rue	1/7
Not Voting	dota, Hippo, Kiiruma, BradLand	4

19 minutes remain until deadline

[Moose]

? @Lucky idk if you saw my question

[Aelin]

Existence

[Aelin]

I don’t think there’s any particular reason not to hammer unless we’re looking at a 7 minute CFD which, considering the threadstate, I highly doubt