Ritual Mafia V - Game Over - Heretics and Traitor Win

[Dum]

uh

VOTE: Ash

[Leafia]

The wolves obviously see a very easy way to misexe obvtown Leafia without any consequences and are now going for it. How no one else can see that is baffling to me.

[Frostwolf103]

@Dum

@Frostwolf103 if this flips red

@Hazardwaste

Well i am just not wolf so….

what does you not being a wolf have to do with me not agreeing with hippos solve

I am sorry, but what exactly are you telling me?

[Dum]

I was going to tell you something

then i stopped that post

didn’t clear my draft

and that happened

[Frostwolf103]

A derp then, but you were going with something, who’s flipping red?

[Dum]

There’s a reason I stopped the post

[Frostwolf103]

meh…

[Frostwolf103]

Who’s going for it? Besides Hippo apparently?

[Ash]

You know what, I’m in class and am tired of writing an ISO, so I’m just gonna write up my points directly.

1. Leafia is prone to misrepresenting an argument, then using it as an excuse to dismiss a person’s reads outright. For example, here’s her doing that to Dum.

@Leafia

@Dum

From reading the roles, I agree, there’s no role that justifies asking to be sacrificed except in some highly specific circunstances

So you’d rather sacrifice a heretic?

That was not his argument at all. This just serves to disregard his argument (which he’s right about, btw) through hyperbole.

@Leafia

@Dum

why are we town reading leafia for doing what leafia does pmuch every game (unless my memory is betraying me)

I’m town pretty much everygame. Ican’t even remember the last time I was wolf.

That’s not a response.

@Leafia

Also, Dum has been spending all day claiming jester and wolf. While I do think it’s possible he’s a villager, I’d take any reads he has with a grain of salt if I was you.

@Leafia

He played mafia like you’re playing today. By susing random people and not listening to the opinions of others on them. Basically anyway.

This builds off Leafia’s earlier comments on Dum to try and fully discredit anything they’ve said.
There’s a difference between, “I don’t trust your reads,” and “Your reads cannot be trusted.”

2. Leafia’s comments suggest that she used a diviner play to clear any potential redchecks on her before claiming Enchanter, a claim that we cannot prove without an investigative role outing themselves.

3. Leafia’s votes are awful: they voted Dum (very likely town), Brak (stupid town but still probably town), me (take a guess), and Eliza (town).

4. This is more nitpicky, but have ya’ll noticed how often Leafia justifies her absences? It’s a strong impulse I’ve had as mafia yet not one I’ve had as town.

In short, uh, Leafia is likely just mafia.

[Leafia]

Brak is too and Derps has been

@Ash

That was not his argument at all. This just serves to disregard his argument (which he’s right about, btw) through hyperbole.

I was joking. Nice try.

@Ash

That’s not a response.

Correct. It was a joke.

@Ash

This builds off Leafia’s earlier comments on Dum to try and fully discredit anything they’ve said.
There’s a difference between, “I don’t trust your reads,” and “Your reads cannot be trusted.”

2. Leafia’s comments suggest that she used a diviner play to clear any potential redchecks on her before claiming Enchanter, a claim that we cannot prove without an investigative role outing themselves.
3. Leafia’s votes are awful: they voted Dum (very likely town), Brak (stupid town but still probably town), me (take a guess), and Eliza (town).
4. This is more nitpicky, but have ya’ll noticed how often Leafia justifies her absences? It’s a strong impulse I’ve had as mafia yet not one I’ve had as town.

In short, uh, Leafia is likely just mafia.

This is super obviously wolf agenda to get me misexed.

[Leafia]

@Ash

This is more nitpicky, but have ya’ll noticed how often Leafia justifies her absences? It’s a strong impulse I’ve had as mafia yet not one I’ve had as town.

Especially this. I do that literally every game.

[Dum]

@Leafia

Especially this. I do that literally every game.

vouching for this

[Dum]

@Leafia

I was joking. Nice try.

this one didn’t feel like a joke

[Leafia]

I literally always tell everyone that I’m going to head out and why and literally everyone knows it.

[Leafia]

Fair enough but I was joking nevertheless. It isn’t always obvious when I’m joking. Of course no one would rather sacrifice a heretic Dum.

[Ash]

@Leafia

Of course no one would rather sacrifice a heretic Dum.

Except by framing it in this way, you’ve indicated that Dum’s perspective is something to be ignored. My point still stands.

[Dum]

I hate this

[Dum]

Im pretty sure there’s a wolf with me here

[Leafia]

The point is that Ash is showing clear agenda to get me misexed and has probably been preparing for this by scumreading me this entire time so he could justify a deathtunnel on me in case I suddenly seem scummy. This really should be ringing alarm bells in everyone’s heads.

[Ash]

I think that’s true in every world.