Ritual Mafia V - Game Over - Heretics and Traitor Win

[Frostwolf103]

@Ash

If that’s what you’re arguing, you have lost this a long time ago.

Ash, I never lost as long I live

[Ash]

Perhaps.
But I won’t let you bury your indictment.

[Frostwolf103]

@Ash

Perhaps.
But I won’t let you bury your indictment.

Its not my fault you had to respond like a lurker

[Ash]

This was the argument for killing Eliza.
It was a bad argument.

[Frostwolf103]

@Ash

This was the argument for killing Eliza.
It was a bad argument.

You’re making stuff up, I am talking about you lurking and then responding to my posts the entirety of the game.

Because you’re afraid I will blow your entire case open.

[Frostwolf103]

You could have, you know…played along.

But your maliace complient says otherwise.

[Frostwolf103]

Your push on me is bad faith, you want to hide that Bionic could be sorcerer, I believed at first you have been cleared from the spew, but I get played by your fiddle.

[Frostwolf103]

At least try to understand from my perspective I felt betrayed when you said that.

[Frostwolf103]

I didn’t mind when you said I could be scum who try to be protected from the cleanse getting me even more mech confirmed, but you forgot about the O.kazo’s purify.

And then there’s talk that even my purify could be fake, its so stupidly insane

[Frostwolf103]

It defies from all common sense, the deduction goes absolutely nowhere and it’s all ‘what ifs’

[Frostwolf103]

As soon when you said I could be Seer instead of Sorcerer, I finally snapped out of realization

[Frostwolf103]

So try to understand from my action list

O.kazo
Garfooled
Otterpopd

What would I do as Sorcerer
What would I do as Shaman
What would I do as Seer
What would I do as Traitor
What would I do as Excorciser

[Ash]

You know what, I’m just gonna grab the Sparknotes on why Frost is mafia.

The Case Against Frost - Reloaded

N1 Mech Incompatible with Someone + Garfooled

@Dum

step by step:

the facts: max perception didin’t go off, and kazo was not roleblocked according to both someone and garfooled who can’t be scum together since traitor is elementalist and bionic is group scum

Now, we assume frost is town and try to explain away what happened.

Possibility 1: kazo roleblocked and frost roleblocked → impossible, scum only has at most two rbs, and we know one of them was on you

Possibility 2: kazo roleblocked, frost not roleblocked → impossible by definition of purify

Possibility 3: kazo busdriven into a roleblock → not possible, since all roleblocks are accounted for and someone confirms kazo used the charge anyways

Possibility 4: kazo busdriven into a MP target, meaning they self targetted (and hence, died stopping MP)

• kazo <-> bionic impossible since guava found kazo green n1
• Dum <-> kazo imposible since it would mean i was purified by frost makling me redirection immune and exorcising kazo (which clearly didn’t happen, ritual went off)

Possibility 5: me or bionic busdriven with someone else who is now dead: impossible, purify would make kazo redirection immune if frost was villager

@Brakuren

@Dum

N1 is mech outting for you and unless you can objectively (as in mechanics) disprove it we dont care

Hazard’s D3 Ritual Failing

@Ash

@Ash

Ok, I outright think Frost is mafia here.
They attempted to redirect the Leafia vote onto Derps and have to resort to “host interference” to push Garfooled. My theory is that mafia has used the Cleanse ability, which disables all ritual abilities. Their goal was that Garfooled will be killed, confirming Frost in our eyes. By refusing to do that, we risk unveiling the Cleanse.
This would also explain the Hippo kill, as it prevents us from getting a Exorcised ritual.

@Ash

Because if you Exorcised Garfooled, Hazard’s ritual should be unaffected.
Hazard’s ritual should only fail if there is a Cleanse.

@Ash

Garfooled isn’t necessarily mafia.
w!Frost uses the Cleanse to Ritual a town member while gaining towncred.

@Ash

Also, one other thing.
Assume v!Frost. We’ve established ahead of time that Frost is going to Exorcise a person, who we will then Ritual the following day.
If the Hazard Ritual fails, a Cleanse is almost certainly in play. Why would mafia burn a Cleanse for no good reason?

As a result, we are Ritualing me (Ash) to kill Frost. Town will then Execute Bionic.

@Dum

kill [Frost] → more time to re-evaluate if [Frost] somehow flip town (info comes earlier)

kill bionic (with ashes kill) → no new info

In short, Frost is mafia. Vote me for Ritual.

[Frostwolf103]

@Ash

You know what, I’m just gonna grab the Sparknotes on why Frost is mafia.

The Case Against Frost - Reloaded

N1 Mech Incompatible with Someone + Garfooled

@Dum

step by step:

the facts: max perception didin’t go off, and kazo was not roleblocked according to both someone and garfooled who can’t be scum together since traitor is elementalist and bionic is group scum

Now, we assume frost is town and try to explain away what happened.

Possibility 1: kazo roleblocked and frost roleblocked → impossible, scum only has at most two rbs, and we know one of them was on you

Possibility 2: kazo roleblocked, frost not roleblocked → impossible by definition of purify

Possibility 3: kazo busdriven into a roleblock → not possible, since all roleblocks are accounted for and someone confirms kazo used the charge anyways

Possibility 4: kazo busdriven into a MP target, meaning they self targetted (and hence, died stopping MP)

• kazo <-> bionic impossible since guava found kazo green n1
• Dum <-> kazo imposible since it would mean i was purified by frost makling me redirection immune and exorcising kazo (which clearly didn’t happen, ritual went off)

Possibility 5: me or bionic busdriven with someone else who is now dead: impossible, purify would make kazo redirection immune if frost was villager

@Brakuren

@Dum

N1 is mech outting for you and unless you can objectively (as in mechanics) disprove it we dont care

Hazard’s D3 Ritual Failing

@Ash

@Ash

Ok, I outright think Frost is mafia here.
They attempted to redirect the Leafia vote onto Derps and have to resort to “host interference” to push Garfooled. My theory is that mafia has used the Cleanse ability, which disables all ritual abilities. Their goal was that Garfooled will be killed, confirming Frost in our eyes. By refusing to do that, we risk unveiling the Cleanse.
This would also explain the Hippo kill, as it prevents us from getting a Exorcised ritual.

@Ash

Because if you Exorcised Garfooled, Hazard’s ritual should be unaffected.
Hazard’s ritual should only fail if there is a Cleanse.

@Ash

Garfooled isn’t necessarily mafia.
w!Frost uses the Cleanse to Ritual a town member while gaining towncred.

@Ash

Also, one other thing.
Assume v!Frost. We’ve established ahead of time that Frost is going to Exorcise a person, who we will then Ritual the following day.
If the Hazard Ritual fails, a Cleanse is almost certainly in play. Why would mafia burn a Cleanse for no good reason?

As a result, we are Ritualing me (Ash) to kill Frost. Town will then Execute Bionic.

@Dum

kill [Frost] → more time to re-evaluate if [Frost] somehow flip town (info comes earlier)

kill bionic (with ashes kill) → no new info

In short, Frost is mafia. Vote me for Ritual.

Wall of text, will not read

[Ash]

Skill issue.

[Frostwolf103]

Yeah I do, now vote Brakuren

[Frostwolf103]

or promise you will actually shoot Bionic.

[Frostwolf103]

I demand it

[Frostwolf103]

@Ash

But serious talk now, can you imagine the traitor will use fire rune on O.kazo N1, rendering my action and dum’s action obsoulute?

[Frostwolf103]

And then the shaman will also body swap O.kazo?