SCP FM (4/18) - Game Thread, Ended, Foundation and GOC wins.

[Wazza]

I’m fine with getting it, but in my eyes it looks like Min has a better reason to get it

/vote Min for the crate @Host_Account_1 @Zone_Q11, just to make your life easier

[eevee]

/vote Crate for Weapons Box

[Silviu200530]

/vote crate min @Host_Account_1

[eevee]

I mean /vote self for weapon box

@Host_Account_1

[Squirrel2412]

@Blizer

wallpost of responses

@Blizer

Litten’s read on both of their slots. By no means should be gospel, but Litten is arguably the best player here outside of eevee, and his reads are usually pretty solid. Yes it was day 1, but litten is litten, his reads should be taken into account.

And… what, exactly, was litten’s read on my slot?

As far as I remember, he was considering the possibility of me/atlas as w/w, which isn’t correct.

@Blizer

This one is more personal, but i feel like their interactions feel forced at EoD, and today hasnt changed that much. It feels like they are forcing a t/w wolf theater to me, with it making either look more towny if one of them flips

No response to that.

@Blizer

Both of their threads position atm feel like they are acting more like spectators. You could argue Silvu at EoD tried to do something voting/putting pressure on my slot and silvu is going through dead players posts, but it feels like they aren’t adding anything of substance outside of the interaction between each other. Also, take notice after FK called out both of them they are trying to interact with the thread more (Specifically squirrel)

I would argue otherwise. Although my immediate contribution to the thread D2 is mostly pressuring Silviu, I’ve also laid out my plan for backreading the thread and concrete steps moving forward. That’s the opposite of spectating, if you ask me.

Regarding me trying to interact with the thread more - that’s NAI. t!me interacts with the thread more after being called out because I want to contribute more. w!me interacts with the thread more after being called out because I want to look like I’m contributing more. Either way you slice it, that’s not a valid reason to scumread me.

@Blizer

Occams razor points to both of them killing FK if they targeted him as nightkill (I saw the stuff with Zone, but its still possible)

Or… litten got killed because he’s one of the best players here? I think that’s the simplest explanation.

Even if scum aren’t being actively scumread by litten they’d still want him dead so he doesn’t have the chance to change his mind.

@min

@Blizer

. Also, take notice after FK called out both of them they are trying to interact with the thread more (Specifically squirrel)

this is true this is a pretty bad look for both of them

Do you really think town!me just ignores litten calling me out and thinks “nah, I’m still not gonna contribute”?

Sure, people can fake being more productive as scum, but they still have to fake it. The conversation should be about if my efforts to be productive feel fake, not about the fact that I started interacting more.

@Blizer

These posts feel like blatant shade towards both atlas and FK, especially after both flipped town now tbh.

Also, litten pointed out how this felt incredibly surface level-y from the slot in terms of defense

so, question for people who have played with squirrel, does he make these types of defenses no matter what alignment he is or is it NAI?

I don’t shade people I’m going to kill the following night.

I will admit that argument was fairly weak, but that’s it.

Also - I’d link games, but the last scumgame I actually have links for is 6 months old and frankly not a good one to look at.

@WindwardAway

Depends on if he’s the type to play the victim card and claim he’s being framed by the kill

I’m certainly paranoid enough to consider it as a possibility, but I generally don’t make such plays unless I need to.

Not really relevant for this game until you see my flip because you can’t trust self meta, but keep that in mind for the future.

@Blizer

Litten was the only one really putting pressure on his slot, along with atlas, who now are both dead, silencing those voices pushing him

Min also pressured me early D1.

@Blizer

• W!Squirrel would state to go back and iso their slots for everyone, but chooses to ignore the posts that are pushes from both of them on his slot, so when they post the iso’s of both of them, they can control the narrative of who they Wolf read and town read from their reads.

Um… of course I ignore posts that are pushing my slot? What do you think I’d do, read it and write analysis of how I might be scum?

This post makes me think you’re not actually considering the possibility of what t!squirrel would do in this situation, which points to a wolf push or confbiased town.

@Blizer

Townplay on this site is bad and they can get away with it because it is actually easy to do so /s

may I present

the initiative to improve townplay

@Blizer

basically it allows W!Squirrel to setup a narrative onto the other slots to look into, while ignoring his own from backreading and posting FK’s and Atlas’s ISO, putting pressure on other slots that he can set up(Potentially Silvu, and maybe YBW)

If it is T!Squirrel, then he likely wolves killed FK to setup a narrative on him (Which is very plausible), but W!squirrel can kill FK to silence his voice and control the narrative onto others.

It feels like you’re approaching this issue backwards; you seem to be looking at my actions and looking for reasons that they’re wolfy, rather than looking at whether I’m doing is actually wolfy.

For instance - t!squirrel ISOing atlas and litten and ignoring their posts pushing him makes perfect sense, because it does absolutely nothing to help him solve. This is what you’re missing, and why I think you’re confbiased town or wolf, since you’re approaching my slot with a conclusion already in mind.

In addition, regarding controlling the narrative - you’re free to backread on your own. Nothing I’m doing is stopping people from rereading litten and atlas’ posts and coming up with their own narratives.

@Blizer

you can see how after FK mentioned how Squirrel is acting like a spectator from the previous day is starting to become more involved with the thread a bit.

I’ve said this far too often

But that’s not alignment indicative

Me as literally any alignment will do that when called out

@Zone_Q11

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that generally a good thing, rather than something alignment-indicative?

Thank you

@Blizer

yes it is NAI, cause it applies to both town and wolf, but never underestimate how far someone is willing to go to change their playstyle and approach to a game to achieve victory

Then why are you pushing me for it?

I know that’s not the only reason why you’re pushing me, but you keep bringing that up as a reason even though it’s invalid.

@Blizer

@Zone_Q11 Here is my thing for you

Go read Squirrel’s posts from start to now

Read them in both a perspective of “Why would a town say this” and “Why would a wolf say this”

What do these posts accomplish

What is a town or wolfs motivation for posting them.

Funny, because I’ve been asking you to do the same thing.

…granted, you couldn’t actually hear me, since I’m asking you now, but you’re still being hypocritical imo

@Zone_Q11

If w!Squirrel would post his random stuff in wolf chat, then it should be town-indicative of you to dump your random thoughts here.

That would be town-indicative, but I’m also clearly aware of that, so I could easily do that as a wolf. So it’s still NAI.

@Zone_Q11

Wazza was given >rand town, and Squirrel was given >rand null. Why was this anything worth being happy about?

It was directly related to the next quote

More specifically:

@Italy

i’m not entirely sure if leafia can joke
that’s the problem

[Squirrel2412]

wasted my time on that wallpost instead of reading silviu or italy

unhappy about that

[Silviu200530]

I promise that I will return the favor of solving your slot after I’m done with school and the chemistry homework.

[WindwardAway]

@YoubutWorse

Wazza - I like what they said about Wind, think it points to her having a greencheck on wind which could mean literally nothing since it is a bastard game but I think the way they went around it is what theyd do if they were town.
Wind - Has what I think is a greencheck against them, which could mean nothing since bastard game yadada but I think the way they handled it points to their alignment

I agree about the point on Wazza, but if you think the way I handled her “greencheck” points to my alignment, what do you think my alignment is? You didn’t mention reaching a conclusion here.

@YoubutWorse

Aelin - I townread Aelin, but also acknowledge that they are very good at this game and would probably be great as a deepwolf so… yeah

this sounds like you’re just trying to keep your options open not that I should be talking

@YoubutWorse

Eli - Hes posting more than usual, I think, which is good, and probably points to him being town

this is a shitty take
he’s produced nothing but fluff, and when asked for his reads he doesn’t even give good explanations
why are you looking at his activity instead of his reasoning?

@YoubutWorse

Kiiruma - Posting doesn’t exactly remind me of Sorc 17, which they were town in. Guess im expecting longer posts from them for that reason which I haven’t really seen much of. (also potentially had TMI on atlas being town?)

thanks for the reminder, I’d like to ISO him.

[WindwardAway]

I want to weigh in on a couple of things but I’m super sick rn so give me a bit to collect my thoughts

[WindwardAway]

I think Zone is right and some of the things Squirrel has said/done make little sense if he’s a wolf
so barring paranoia he’s probably just town

[WindwardAway]

/vote min for crate @Host_Account_1

[WindwardAway]

/vote YBW @Host_Account_1

[WindwardAway]

didn’t particularly like his readlist or how self-conscious he was about forcing out some of those takes

[WindwardAway]

since nobody’s here i think i’ll just go back to sleep for a while and hope someone’s online when i return
otherwise i’ll just continue to talk to myself
which is also fine lol

[WindwardAway]

aelin, wazza and min are my most confident townreads aorn

[WindwardAway]

i wish this site had multi-ISO because it would make my job so much easier lol

[Zone_Q11]

Execution votes:

Voted	Voters	Votes
YoubutWorse	Zone_Q11, Blizer, Leafia, WindwardAway	4/8
Silviu200530	Squirrel2412	1/8
WindwardAway	Aelin	1/8
[Not voting]	EliThePsycho, eevee, Kiiruma, min, Italy, YoubutWorse, Gorta, Silviu200530, Wazza

Crate votes:

Voted	Voters	Votes
min	min, Zone_Q11, Leafia, Squirrel2412, Aelin, Silviu200530, Wazza, WindwardAway	8
eevee	eevee	1
[Not voting]	EliThePsycho, Kiiruma, Italy, YoubutWorse, Gorta, Blizer

[Silviu200530]

But what could compromise the check on Windy? Surely it isn’t trustworthy no matter what?

[Silviu200530]

Nevermind, bastard game

[Zone_Q11]

@Silviu200530

bastard game

Have we even started talking about what kind of bastard game this game is, actually?
Like, false cop checks, false flips, alignment conversion, or ???

At the very least, I want people to talk the basics of what kind of mechanic makes this game bastard, because thread seems dead.