Silent Hill Newbie Friendly JOAT 10er 4/10 Day 3 - Mafia Wins

[Kanave]

i can vote you rn if you’d rather do it yourself? Ends the day now if you’re scum and it lets me sleep

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

no

[Kanave]

:c

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

legit im building this case and I stole an explanation of what macro is from me and litten’s DMs JUST for this one cause

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

also drinks had way more content posts than i thought

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

a compilation of drinks’ content posts

@Drinks

@Demisha did you really roll wolf for your first two games on here

starts out with the standard
of scumreading demi
no reason provided though
(unless the reason is the below quote I forgot the context to that )

@Drinks

Presenting a resume of why he’s not sus before anyone’s said anything

things like this are exactly why i scumread demi (see: the “2 mafia, 2 people are coordinating, hmmm” post)
well, with more stuff, but still
i still think its kinda sus but not as much as you’d think

@Drinks

It doesn’t feel like a pulled “get-out-of-dialogue” card that’d get used there so I kind of agree

i forgot the context to this and absolutely should have quoted it
alas

@Drinks

I am both worried that we’re starting a spiral
and advocating for it because nothing so far has de-escalated it

he’s worried about tunneling
and yet literally says he will do nothing to stop the tunnel
???
worrying that you’re tunneling is townie, but not like this

@Drinks

I dunno, that’s not always the fairest way to evaulate someone. Schedules and timezones and such.

help i really should have quoted contexts

@Drinks

I don’t really see it as different tbh
I’m interpreting those statements as “Demi will be a lightning rod of suspicion, let’s not focus there too hard because it won’t solve the game”, though @Kanave feel free to correct.

yeah this one is probably NAI even without context
its just a “i disagree on the meaning of these statements”

@Drinks

This feels like overcorrection, or maybe that it’s just hitting a lot of flags for me about not sticking to a point and jumping to different positions real quick.

what is the last part supposed to add
i don’t understsand
is it a
“but they could be town?”
is it a
“they are either doing X wolfy thing or doing Y wolfy thing”
i don’t understand
if its the first one its scummy but the second one probably isn’t
(if its the first one its scummy because of the mindset behind it; which i am trying to express and failing
its probably not the first one tho so)

@Drinks

I don’t mind holding off on the Demi spiral

okay
good
you are getting out of your tunnel
…except it wasn’t really a tunnel to begin with
legit you haven’t said much about demi other than “i am going to tunnel” and then this post is “i am not going to tunnel”
like
okay?
normally that’d be townie but there just isn’t any progression here

@Drinks

@Demisha

This one is just unironically not something towny at all but Drinks is like that so im not wolfreading them over this yet .

Moderate NGL
I just don’t think it’s productive to get into shouting matches, so that’s why I’m not a fan of that.
It makes the person defending themselves more desperate and by extension suspicious if they put a high value on their own life, and others end up taking sides to pile onto.

Not really something I have an interest in getting involved in, so that’s why I steer off it.

Jesse, what the heck are you talking about?

@Drinks

We can freely move votes during the day, I don’t think mine is going to make you likely to get axed as it stands, so for the time being it’s a slightly funnier no-vote.

why is drinks concerned over whether or not their vote would get guav axed
that’s kinda sus man

@Drinks

My current map, with blanks as too dry to call:

Proven-Good
YouButWorse

Headed-Good
Eliza
Kanave
Drinks
Jaiden

Yellow Flagged
Demisha
PlagueSimp (Keep alive for them to kill Mafia though)

saving this readlist for when drinks posts theirs

@Drinks

I still don’t get Ranta
Is this an activity kill?

w/w with ranta?
not sure, but it feels that way

@Drinks

I don’t hate the vote onto Ranta, just a kinda dry area for me.
That’s below a good portion of others though, so if they don’t provide anything substantial in the next couple hours then I wouldn’t mind tossing a vote there as well.

well the good news is they followed up on this today by voting ranta

@Drinks

YBW genuinely feels good to me, they’re only in the higher tier because the meme though.

saving this for a later post

@Drinks

Yeah I don’t shift my opinions too heavily unless someone starts going HARDCORE fish brained.

saving this for if they shift their opinions really heavily

@Drinks

Generally feels like an aggressive townsfolk to me. I can get behind the reasoning behind the pushes onto people (even if I’m not necessarily agreeing on all of them).

( ^ this is in regards to jaiden)
finally! i said the context! thank you, past me
i
don’t think i can read this tho
that’s a fancy way of saying “its probably not NAI but i’m too dumb to see the AI part”

@Drinks

If Jaiden is a wolf, they’re approaching how they talk in game through a delicate townsfolk lens.
So for the time being I’m more reading that as genuine townsfolk brain talking.

i do not underestand this post either outside of “jaiden is genuine”

@Drinks

I can get behind the counter-push on Ranta’s attackers since I didn’t fully get it either. Outside of the v. Ranta specifically, Kanave read fairly good to me beforehand though. Do you think the push can be tunneling town or just raw evil?

did
that exist???
i legitimately can’t read this post
can somebody point me to the counter-push

@Drinks

Guava pls tell me this is curiousity and not attempted seeding doubt because YBW is high up on my tierlist

meanwhile, earlier:
“ybw is high up but only because of the meme”
what changed there?
nothing?
i think this is a wolf kinda “forgetting” if you will that YBW was only high up because of the meme and accidentally placing them there for real
actually i guess that’s plausible from town but it feels more like TMI-y way than anything else

@Drinks

My position is basically “The reason to axe Ranta is weak, but the people pushing them seem okay-at-best.” I’m curious about others’ reads into you, which seem to tick off flags a lot more than I’ve had onto you so far.

so… do you or do you not like the push on ranta?
the other part i forgot to quote context

@Drinks

I can see this as town cannibalism or that you (evil) are pushing something aggressively that YBW (good) is saying isn’t a fair push. It’s particularly odd for me to chime in since I think Ranta isn’t really a suspect by low posts but that’s largely by benefit of doubt, so my reason for thinking your push on Ranta is bad is slightly different than YBW.
So basically tl;dr my view says this is YBW(Good) + Ranta (Good) v Kanave (Evil) or YBW (Good) + Ranta (???) v Kanave (Cannibal Good), YBW thinks it’s more likely the former of the two from the conversaion as I read it and while I trust her, it’s not enough of a credit to pile onto you.

this is
hedgy
like
“either kanave is good or evil!”
watson, you have a talent for observing the obvious.

@Drinks

Small NGL I had to filter for myself to find this
Still don’t mind voting for PlagueSimp today (The comment at the end was a JOKE for those with low funny awareness)

(this is in regards to the readlist above)

@Drinks

Still in that neutral-at-best but more-so yellow-flagged for me

@PlagueSimp

Please go ahead, kill me.

I don’t see this as a joking tone.

@YoubutWorse

nah wait come vote kanave if ur not partnered with her

@PlagueSimp

/Vote Kanave @This_Door

I can see this as either “Empower someone else to build trust” or a more genuine “Help a town consensus pass while you’re gone” but I lean towards the former atm.

so
if im understanding this right
you scumread ybw for this post because you think that they are doing the former?
sorry if im misunderstanding
but that doesn’t fit with your worldviews at all
marking this as scum if i understand it correctly

@Drinks

wtf boooooo I wanted to soft claim it

NAI idk why i quoted this
both wolves & town have plausible reasoning for softing joat

@Drinks

Agree on Plague, Ranta is a “wait and see” spot for me

@Drinks

I see Ranta as a day 2 vote if no major developments

well at least these remained consistent

@Drinks

That’s a portion of why I don’t want to invest too much there atm

context :sobception:

@Drinks

When we’re this set on the vote I’m not giving much value to it

@Drinks

Ranta’s probably going to be rotated out if that’s an option, considering low-involvement so far. I don’t want to kill into an almost blank slate.

@Drinks

I’m pretty with you, but more-so from the position that trying to read into Ranta’s inactivity is useless. So to kill them in the first place is a waste of resources.

i don’t get these posts and forgot why i quoted them
although that last one kinda seems w/w with ranta

@Drinks

If they kill a town, it’s their problem not ours

wow that’s
dumb
and wolfy
can’t really see town!drinks doing this

@Drinks

I’m pretty blank on Eliza. Ranta being a tabled vote, plus coming in near the end of yesterday to slam the vote early is definitely an indicator for me.

yeah still w/w

@Drinks

3x town drops is
Not sure how to progress off of those necessarily, since you can’t backread to see a wolf to wolf link (though I’m not sure those would be terribly common, since we could domino deaths once one is voted, imagine they’d be distanced maybe?).

information without analysis

@Drinks

Going to sleep soon but I’d be happiest to either skip today or vote Ranta, who was our “we’ll kill tomorrow if nothing changes”
And given that there’s been less than a sixth of the messages over the previous game day, nothing really has changed .

why would we skip?
and at least this is consistent with their previous worldviews
id say the skipping thing is wolfy, but plausible town
and yeah

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in other news
drinks has 123 posts
only 23 of these are today
take this as you will

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in conclusion
based on micro, drinks is p wolfy
and based on marco, a good chunk of their worldviews do not line up (namely, on ybw)

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

/vote drinks @Host_Account_1

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

@ranta @Kanave @jaiden @demisha @YoubutWorse @drinks
You guys need to be around for eod smh

[Kanave]

@ElizaThePsycho

@Drinks

YBW genuinely feels good to me, they’re only in the higher tier because the meme though.

saving this for a later post

@ElizaThePsycho

meanwhile, earlier:
“ybw is high up but only because of the meme”
what changed there?
nothing?

I think you’re misinterpreting this post. Drinks is saying YBW got their own Proven good tier for the meme, not that they were TRing htem for the meme

[Kanave]

@ElizaThePsycho

you scumread ybw for this post because you think that they are doing the former?

iirc that was a push onto plague,

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

okay well
what does “genuinely good” mean
like
im p sure that’s the same thing as jaiden
and
assuming that the tiers are ordered
that’s about a “light townlean” tier

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

hmm yeah that post is really confusing i can definitely see that

[Kanave]

yeah still dont know but just sharing how i interpret that lmao

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

so

[Kanave]

ugh im conflicted here
because I feel myself wanting to like, push back against this or smthn but like why?

[Kanave]

I dfon’t agree with the way that you read some o fhte posts but the conclusion you reached from the reading of those posts makes sense and I don’t think the misreading is ingenuine

[Kanave]

but at the same time i question why now for making a push like this
yu made a post and did stuff like

@ElizaThePsycho

legit im building this case and I stole an explanation of what macro is from me and litten’s DMs JUST for this one cause

which feels more like you’re prioriting to be convincing than to be right.

but I can see W/W Ranta/Drinks tbh
fuck this sucks i just wanted an easy vote then to sleep

[Kanave]

Eliza, what your thoughts on ranta independant of drinks?

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

didn’t i just give these
one moment
finding them

[Kanave]

you did im just tired