urgh my stomach hurts gimme some time to lie down and I’ll take a look
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np, take it easy
MELO means “misexe and lose”.
Like if it’s 5 v 3 and if you kill a villager, Mafia can kill in the night and win, but if you no-exe you’ll wake up with 4 v 3.
What? You are gonna pretend you dont know why we are unpaired when you yourself fanned the flames between us? Really?
Mmm.
I still don’t trust them.
VOTE: Unvote
Why is this tough?
Oh, interesting. I mean, while the game might feel quiet and lend itself to this impression, with any active players naturally looking better than quieter players in comparison, it’s not easy to forget we only have twelve yeah, and two groupscum. This was apparently worth pointing out in CoD because the kind of tension in the game (you know what I mean) when an evil’s the block wasn’t palpable until the final day, but it’s not like evils would be able to do much about it anyway.
Setting that aside for a minute, if I was uncharitable I could say you initially townread Jarek to help them out of the spiral when Memes was pushing them earlier and to make Jarek trust you more, but that’s through a narrow lens. Jarek is fine.
I think this is where the Silviu thing started.
Checks in with Neon to seek validation for your read before you follow through with it, I vaguely remember you doing this as both alignments.
Going all in. I doubt you would buss Silviu like this D1, so you’re not groupscum W/W. I think you ended up voting a wolf in Umineko D1, what were the circumstances behind that?
Now that Zorvo has demonstrated a certain vitality not too long ago, and considering you point out later that Silviu is either showing TMI or a weak townread on a buddy… hmm. “Which is it?” doesn’t sound right.
Cream, Lissi and Neon were passed over. Putting a pin in this for later.
As for the readlist itself, as shown here, I agree with most of them. I’d move Zorvo up, but then we fall into the issue of too many people looking good.
Consistent with Achro’s readlist, except for Neon’s vote on Prisma.
By the way, Achro interacting with Neon for the vote on Prisma actually fills the hole in the void with disliking all the rest of the votes. This specifically is a good detail.
…By which point the game would be over if all three of you were good. This post bothered me a lot more earlier, why did I not comment on this? I quoted this very post.
Anyway, either Achro was just extremely confident one of those two is evil at the time, or he forgot how many executions we had (unlikely, he’s more thorough than that), or he’s calling himself evil.
Mood.
Here we go.
This read was conceptualised before I realised Silviu went missing for now twenty-hours, but it was based on the fact that I incorrectly scumread Silviu in Nightmare Woods, and in Chair of Deception Silviu acted the exact same way, and I perceived Silviu as acting in their town meta. What is that? Here, I’ll find a summary of their deaths in those games.
(Speaking of which, here’s a post I found interesting.)
Anyway, in Nightmare Woods I caught onto how Silviu only seemed to have townreads or, at worse, nullreads. Furthermore, Silviu only seemed to share these reads when prodded, or at least to my perception.
Other times Silviu seemed self-aware, like they were earlier in this game whatwith claiming MD. Except the intent was flipped.
One sec while I check CoD. To be continued.
I vibe with Cream tbh.
I’ll Null Town This.
This is the kind of stuff I want from us!
re-checks?
Zorvo:
-there is a consistent push/set of reads (like 4?). I think I didn’t realize the Jaiden push happened because it happened while I was skimming and I was focusing on the Silviu read + vote. Still a little eh on that shift to Silviu.
-Zorvo can you answer, what’s your read on Silviu?
-opinion better than before, maybe slight townlean? I feel like iso overall feels fine, maybe more range idk
Jaiden:
-lack of solving compared to the immense amount of no-exe pushing. Extra time pro is really not even being used?
-P#1035 feels unnecessarily pessimistic. If Jaiden is w… idk tho, the wagons were 1v1v1v1 then
-P#1091 almost everyone’s against no-exe, idk why there’s such a defensive tone here. The OMGUS and flipping everything accusation came from nowhere imo. I don’t even think scumreading Cream was mentioned before this. Feels like an overreaction.
-still scumlean
Jarek:
-P#51 is exactly what Memes was saying. But thinking about it now… I don’t think this was an intentional misunderstanding in bad faith, which is the key thing I was thinking about before.
-#492 could just be a jab about their earlier argument? bad if actual belief but prob not?
-Feels a lot better overall tho bc in between the arguments there was some solving that is more visible now, would move up a little. Can maybe see a frustrated townie angle…?
Silviu:
-does have reads outside of Zorvo. I think they’re all townreads? Not sure if w!Silviu is likelier to scumread others or not.
-is re-evaling Zorvo?
-honestly I still don’t know about the Zorvo read bc the one post Silviu did point out as the reason had nothing to do with being aggressive.
-I think it leans town though because well, I can see the mini-push thing and also bc handing out townreads only everywhere doesn’t seem very good if wolf. Correct me if I’m wrong meta-wise
Silviu
Zorvo
Jarek
Jaiden
Strength of mine or yours?
I just didn’t understand why you were trying to use a town!Silviu possibility to help you push back against that argument (unnecessarily) when the vote showed you didn’t think Silviu was town.
Why TF did you include yourself…3 Times.
Also why are you including yourself to begin with, if your town you should be aware of it.
Like I understand wanting to be generic with who can’t be paired but like you can’t say anything you want about you with someone else being partnered without another perspective.
Like if I said Memes/Jarek is never WvW. I am coming from a perspective not involved in that pairing but if I said Zorvo/Achro is never W/W I am now involving myself in that pairing and theoretically I could just be a wolf lying and be partners with Achro.
The point is, I just don’t consider self paired reads tbh cause it can easily be faked by a wolf to look better.
I still believe your town due to serval things you have done that I found Townie but I still disagree with the fact you put 3 Pair’s of yourself on this list here.
I think it’s because when I saw the Silviu vote I thought you were being sheepy in a bad way, and contradictory with it.
Rather than making your own arguments and line of in-depth questioning, it was just like, “Oh I trust Memes.”
Your Jaiden push honestly didn’t even register until I ISOed.
Yeah.
Cream is definitely town.
I am town and noticed it, they noticed it, agreed with me.
Put two and two together.
Cream is Town.
Jaiden is probably a wolf so let’s not sleep today.
But also yes I think you’re doing good. I think your posts and progression make sense.
Can you give your thoughts on everyone though? Like in one post, just some short thoughts. I don’t think I saw that while reading.
I don’t think the specific post of his read on you after you prod him is strongly AI tbh, unless you are referring to something else.
mulling over recent posts though
I think his read on you and his townread on Silviu are interesting
Like, w!Magnus sees wagons on himself and Silviu, and there is only 1 vote diff, and decides to just townread Silviu, not partake, and vote sleep? That’s a severe lack of self preservation that prob comes from town, unless Silviu is also wolf.
Yeah my top town are Cream and Memes.
Then Neon and Jarek after.
I almost appreciate the fact you are presenting a scenario where it is framed more likely i called myself evil than i forgot the lynch count.
(I forgot the lynch count)
Did silviu have any inexplicable reads in these games?
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Ah the game where I was hosting great day 1 but then afterwards got so busy that Eevee doesn’t wanna talk with me anymore or at least has been ignoring my messages.
I still feel bad about it.