If it makes you feel worse he 100% does fake the emotional stuff pretty well as scum.
But fair enough good conclusion imo
Although i will say brain is now wondering if jarek is keeping his options just a little too open here. Mostly because ivuave no unserstanding of his achro/memes thought bubble atm. Dont really know where that even came from.
This is def what is gonna happen if i live
link what you are referring to
I just iso-d sun tzu to do some level 0 analysis of D1 votes, which jarek should have been doing when he claimed that the eod1 votecount made w!me make sense
I know exactly who is wolf with Jarek too.
Their theater is not as good as they think, ive seen better
yeah then what were you saying? looks to me you were just saying, wow he voiced that he wanted to kill a probable town read, let’s just vote them
if it wasn’t voiced directly that’s the kind of thing ppl would interpret as scum
just because the sentiment is voiced directly does not make it less wolfy
how on earth does that mean town? are you sure you’re not the one twisting yourself in a circle here?
check the vote, you disagree?
No you just aren’t town
If memory serves
Jarek, from my understanding of what you are telling me, you don’t understand what I’m saying, so ergo, you don’t think it comes from a genuine townie place.
Mafia and town can both not always make sense 100% of the time, and not understanding someone doesn’t mean that they just are outright scummy. You yourself said at the beginning of this game that “wolf has more of a chance of making sense than a town does in a weird kind of way” (2269)
You think my read is intended to make people agree with me and side against you. Making reads is a core component of mafia, and of course, when you voice a read in a thread, some people may be convinced on it. I was genuinely just sharing my off-the-top-of-my-head thoughts on how I felt about your slot. I didn’t even proofread what I wrote, it was all just brain dump material, which is likely why it didn’t make perfect rational sense. If I’m truly out to make people agree with me and side against you, I would be much more thorough and not just brain dumping thoughts.
Re-reading what I originally called you out for, I was referring to when you say, “Yeah but I also think [Prisma] ultimately [is] a liability and I don’t see an alternative vote right now and I could be wrong and all of this means that I don’t really care if they’re being voted.” In my mind, a core differentiator between town and mafia is whether they are trying to solve the game. In reading your post, it felt extraordinarily complacent and accepting, almost a shrug of the shoulders. I think mafia don’t actually care as much as town about trying to solve the game, and that’s why the post pinged me.
When you say you don’t see an alternative vote, initially in my mind, I was like “how does someone on D3 not even know who else to vote? Didn’t they just vote Lissi?”
In fairness, now that I actually have time to look at the context of the post, I see that you voting an alternative vote would likely just tie it between Prisma and Memes and leave you on a non-viable wagon, so I’m guessing that’s what you meant by “alternative vote”.
I feel like I need to digest this.
It feels off to me that this late in the game, your read on Memes is heavily meta-based.
Memes mentioned that he’s only lost two scum games over the past 3 years. Just from that, I am guessing that he likely does not play a very polarized game, or else he’d probably have a lower mafia win rate. (Correct me if I’m wrong).
If a player is not incredibly polarized, do you still think it is sound to primarily use meta as the basis of your read this late into the game? I do not see much evaluation from you on what Memes has actually been doing this game, besides the overarching statements. Your read lacks specificity on what has actually been happening in this game, which is part of why I wonder whether you are even reading it with a critical eye.
I am not fully convinced that Jarek should be townread purely because of “mafia would never think this or say this.”
Jarek townreads or nullreads Zorvo for D1. Even as mafia, I don’t think Jarek would ever be able to “act like the big man on campus” for it. He could be cognizant of his own read on Zorvo, and know that his posting doesn’t ever rationalize that sort of behavior to come from him. No matter his alignment, there is absolutely no way he is able to say “yes, I developed a solid scumread on Zorvo in the last minute and voted him, and you should give me credit.” He has little way out of explaining his vote other than saying it was some sort of snap vote. I do not think your read on that post is strongly town indicative.
That possibility still exists in my mind, though I more strongly believe that it’s Jarek and Achro.
Eliza… this is not how we are supposed to distance you know?
It’s just a very macro read. If Memes is wolf here, he’s a deepwolf, and in these instances, I always take a step back and look at how the game has been progressing. It’s very hard to articulate, but it’s a game I played where Tilga was deepwolf, we successfully elimmed mafia D1, and then it all went downhill from there. Like, maybe it’s a vibe read, but I just feel like if I am not vibing with the thread and feel frustrated at times, it’s gut instinct that something may be wrong. If the game isn’t progressing that great, then I start getting doubts. Memes can be town who is just not having a good game. Memes can also be mafia that is pushing the wrong thing. Him admitting that he knows he doesn’t look good is kinda WIFOM-y.
Seeing how this phase has been playing out, he certainly has taken a step back, which I find interesting, and I do feel better about it. I think he is just observing and letting the thread play out for the most part. It feels like he’s just town trying to decipher what is going on between us. For some reason, I feel like if he were mafia, he would be more active in pushing a narrative.
Why everytime you post you attempt to widen the PoE instead of narrowing it?
How is it widening the POE?
You dont have definite scum reads. You discredit other people’s townreads with brain dumping speculation and nothing concrete.
Cream. Whom do you scum read at this point?
Jarek/Achro
That should be obvious
So you think Achro and Jarek straight up ho for Zorvo bus right here?