Stratagem-15 FM - MAFIA VICTORY

[Luka]

oh my tiers are
Town
Lean town

[Luka]

Im replying to this message since ths is around where I left off iirc
If i missed anything then oh well

[Arctic]

@guavagudetama

Oh gagged I’m top wagon

[Luka]

@Garfooled

I don’t see this, what about it feels genuine to you?

Dont know, I think openings are mostly based on vibes. They do genuinly feel excited to rand town, and I would too after a few wolf flips in a row. If I did get wolf opening would probably feel dis-ingenuine

@Garfooled

(keeping this in to remind myself so I don’t tunnelvision)

Townie, dont think a wolf would say thos. Woof woof.

@Garfooled

Could you elaborate on this?

@May

being a wolf, I had to just imitate what I’d always been doing

@Garfooled

Why didn’t you want to mason Caitlin this game?

Abbi never said this. Im fairly certain they always want to mason cait.

@Garfooled

Do you think Luka is the type to stay consistent as scum?

(I am the type. Obviously not the best of my self meta but Abbis seen my scum games, everything is methodical and organized. This is self meta tho so dont trust it to much.

@Garfooled

I’ll keep this in mind as I keep reading as well, this entire post actually

Town but fakable.

@Garfooled

Does this seem overly self-aware?

More seems needless. Dont know what it adds. I missed this statement all together; nice pointing it out <3.

@Garfooled

Man… Unless Caitlin and Abigail are partnered, Abigail is proving to be towny as heck

They are never paired here. I refuse.

@Garfooled

It’s not even that though
It’s a joke

Town; dont think wolf would correct me here. Once again fakable tho.

@Garfooled

Would you consider that natural progression or faking it?

Depends. Not sure what exactly the reads are.

@Garfooled

I would say the more votes I get, the less I would feel motivated to read back and progress in the game

Kinda wolfy post? Generally detering votes from them by threatening to not try. Despite this though, it feels genuine here? I dont know how a post can be both wolfy and towny but garfooled manages it.

@PrincessAbigail

Town can hedge too but they do it much less often cause they don’t care.

can I know what hedging means btw

[Luka]

@PrincessAbigail

Haven’t been feeling as fluffy or into it this game.

There’s some noivern art if that brightens your day.

[WindwardAway]

@PrincessAbigail

TBH I want my tell to be right but I’m struggling to see a wolf in those 4 at all

Yeah, see, this is also my problem
Plus the fact that I’m struggling to really find a wolf at all. I suspect it’s players I have in townlean or null right now but I don’t plan on revealing my cards until tomorrow just in case.

[Caitlin]

Hi

[WindwardAway]

@Psyx

Okay, after double-checking Cait’s towngame in Mountainous Arson, I feel confident that she’s town. I’ve observed that she’s more of a “wolfhunter” than a “townhunter”, and she tends to comment on how so-and-so/xyz post is sus esp during D1.

The way she reacts to Arctic & Luka in #391, #674, #677 — shoots back but doesn’t overexplain — feels as if she’s standing on solid ground (and not shifty/slimy in a way a wolf subconsciously does while finding their footing to gain better thread position/look better).

“Psyx, what do you mean by shift/slimy and how can you tell?” you might ask.

Well, if what Abbi mentioned earlier is correct, then Cait is the same type of player as me: someone who dislikes wolfing and prefers to play as vanilla townie.

This type of player tends to be super confident as town, but struggle to display the same boldness as wolf because they’re keenly aware that they’re “guilty”. Hence, these feelings of “guilt” are manifested when they are sussed — they try to “ convince ” the other person in a way where they’re actually trying to convince themselves.

I’m not picking up any of this in Cait’s ISO. Here she’s just blunt/snarky, brushes off the other person (in a “are-you-for-real” kind of way), and is more concerned about the other person than she is about herself/how people are seeing her.

I also like how she doesn’t seem to be hung-up on the people sussing her. I think wolf!Cait would ISO Arctic or Luka to get more ammunition/shield against them, instead of continuing making reads and commenting on other non-Abbi people.

I really like this explanation

[Luka]

@Psyx

ISO-ing their interactions is hard, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that was really the case.

I would be suprised.

@Psyx

My hot take is a wolf in Luka/May/Arctic. There is a curious trend in my D1 reads where my gut is right on a wolf and completely wrong on another.

GTH which one of us is wolf in the three.

@guavagudetama

Because you say it’s “on nothing” but why would a scum ever make a serious post “on nothing” like clearly she must have thought her post made sense regardless of alignment or she wouldn’t have posted it

Yup, especially an experienced player like cait.

@guavagudetama

Hhhhhh I don’t believe you but I’m gonna unvote anyway because if you’re telling the truth then I look like a dick

Eugh, dont love this reason but it is what it is.

@guavagudetama

I had a reason to ask that and it might come back to me later so I’m quoting this

Very very small thing but I like people leaving markers in chat. It shows why they’re thinking.

[Luka]

@Luka

@Garfooled

Does this seem overly self-aware?

More seems needless. Dont know what it adds. I missed this statement all together; nice pointing it out <3.

Nvm. I thought you found dirt on me but it was taken out of context, L

[WindwardAway]

@Luka

@PrincessAbigail

Town can hedge too but they do it much less often cause they don’t care.

can I know what hedging means btw

Fencesitting, like “that player is kinda scummy but I could also see it coming from town”

[May]

Zone 5got to rand any wolves this time ^^_^

[WindwardAway]

Tfw there’s no encryptor and the neapolitan cop is just a fancy town vanilla

[Luka]

@lol

love these wagons
absolutely scrumptious

Why

@WindwardAway

Fencesitting, like “that player is kinda scummy but I could also see it coming from town”

oh
I do that alot then lol. Just less. explicitly.

@WindwardAway

Luka I think has just posted nothing that stuck out to me as particularly scummy, and a couple things I thought were towny, but that’s if I’m not looking at votes and pushes. In all honesty, I haven’t backread much of this game and I don’t intend to today.

Id like you to if you can. If youre busy with IRL thats fair but.

@WindwardAway

The quote chain fucked up but it was Luka who asked me to explain why I said I DIDN’T hate that post

Skill issue

@WindwardAway

Wait no it wasn’t lmao, Luka is the one who made that post and Garfooled asked me for the explanation

Skill issue

@WindwardAway

Ugh broken quotes

True and skill issue(im so smart)

@WindwardAway

Omg i give up on the quotes

… Skill Iss-

[Host_Account_5]

Votecount as of P#1026

WindwardAway (3): lol, May, guavagudetama
guavagudetama (2): PrincessAbigail, Arctic
lol (2): Caitlin, Luka
Caitlin (1): Garfooled
PrincessAbigail (1): Zugzwang
Garfooled (1): WindwardAway

Not Voting (1): Psyx

[WindwardAway]

@Luka

@WindwardAway

Fencesitting, like “that player is kinda scummy but I could also see it coming from town”

oh
I do that alot then lol. Just less. explicitly

Yeah me too
I’m better at hedging than giving solid reads, especially on D1 when there’s no flip info

@Luka

@WindwardAway

Luka I think has just posted nothing that stuck out to me as particularly scummy, and a couple things I thought were towny, but that’s if I’m not looking at votes and pushes. In all honesty, I haven’t backread much of this game and I don’t intend to today.

Id like you to if you can. If youre busy with IRL thats fair but.

I’m tackling it based on iso priority and I don’t really think you’re a solve priority today for me
Basically saying I still kinda don’t think you’re scum tbh

I actually changed my mind on someone who I think might be a candidate for the PoE but I’m holding off on saying who it is until closer to EoD because I want to see if they somehow confirm their alignment by then.

[WindwardAway]

@Host_Account_5

Votecount as of P#1026

WindwardAway (3): lol, May, guavagudetama
guavagudetama (2): PrincessAbigail, Arctic
lol (2): Caitlin, Luka
Caitlin (1): Garfooled
PrincessAbigail (1): Zugzwang
Garfooled (1): WindwardAway

Not Voting (1): Psyx

Skill issue

[Luka]

@Zugzwang

currently at arctic may luka as TRs (arctic super confident, luka medium town)

Confidence on may?

@Zugzwang

it’s also interesting how despite having cait/arctic/gar in their towncore they’re still considering luka, without mentioning the tell at all

The tell isn’t always accurate. Treating it like gospel truth is wrong, dont love this post?

@Psyx

Does anyone have a read on lol? I think I saw someone TR/TL them before or is that a hallucination

I haven’t seen it but shrug.

@Zugzwang

UwU Im so Cute <3 <3 <3 Pat me

Okay

@Zugzwang

(let’s not shrugyeet lol unless everyone is actually townier than him - i think if he’s town he’ll eventually do something clearing)

I think everybody is townier than him sobbing. I need to look at psy tho, they’re the one so far that I havent seen a huge townie post.

@Zugzwang

i am going to be policy eliminated for bad memes

yes

[WindwardAway]

@Luka

I think everybody is townier than him sobbing. I need to look at psy tho, they’re the one so far that I havent seen a huge townie post.

Have you seen her recent post on Caitlin? I thought that one came across as a genuine analysis on the slot.

[Luka]

I have not no idt