Stratagem-15 FM - MAFIA VICTORY

[Caitlin]

As for Garfooled; imo you raise some rlly good points on Garfooled so I could technically consider voting her too. Especially since she’s just still sitting on me smh Gar

[WindwardAway]

@Caitlin

Hm well she’s one of the tied for topwagon so I consider that consensus PoE

You, me, Abbi and Psyx should form a towncore fr

Oh heck, you’re right lol

WindwardAway (2): lol, guavagudetama
guavagudetama (2): PrincessAbigail, Arctic
lol (2): Caitlin, Luka
PrincessAbigail (2): Zugzwang, May
Caitlin (1): Garfooled
Garfooled (1): WindwardAway

Not Voting (1): Psyx

Not sure what to make of that cause it’s not me and it is very unlikely to be Abbi
I’m ok with throwing Guava and lol in as our wagon options but I’m still a bit iffy on both of them. Since we’re on this topic, I’ll say that I searched lol’s ISO for towntells and didn’t find any.

[Caitlin]

Guava I’m fineish with

But I prefer Lol

[Caitlin]

Town
Abigail
Windy

Psyx
Arctic
May
Guava

Garfooled

Luka
Zug
Lol
Mafia

Gaps are intentional

[WindwardAway]

@Caitlin

As for Garfooled; imo you raise some rlly good points on Garfooled so I could technically consider voting her too. Especially since she’s just still sitting on me smh Gar

I had this (unvoiced) theory earlier that it was 2 of Gar/guava/lol but I honestly can’t tell you where i got that impression from
lol has a couple things that lead me into association reads but I can’t say for sure unless he flips scum
Gar has a lot of fluffposts but it’s not unusual for them, I just don’t know what to do with that
And guava is just self-presing on me but I don’t think his pushes today have been particularly great

[WindwardAway]

@WindwardAway

I had this (unvoiced) theory earlier that it was 2 of Gar/guava/lol but I honestly can’t tell you where i got that impression from

Caveat is that I wasn’t looking at Zug whatsoever when I thought that. Idk though, I don’t think they’ve been terribly wolfy, I just don’t like the Abbi push because I think she’s obvtowning, but idk how much experience Zug has with her and I also think it’s not the easiest push to make.

[Caitlin]

@WindwardAway

I had this (unvoiced) theory earlier that it was 2 of Gar/guava/lol but I honestly can’t tell you where i got that impression from
lol has a couple things that lead me into association reads but I can’t say for sure unless he flips scum
Gar has a lot of fluffposts but it’s not unusual for them, I just don’t know what to do with that
And guava is just self-presing on me but I don’t think his pushes today have been particularly great

It’s very possible

One of my main reservations with Guava tho is that I could see you/Guava just being TvT and wrong on each other

[WindwardAway]

@Caitlin

One of my main reservations with Guava tho is that I could see you/Guava just being TvT and wrong on each other

Oh yeah, I could definitely see that too, I don’t really have a strong read on them.

[Caitlin]

@WindwardAway

Caveat is that I wasn’t looking at Zug whatsoever when I thought that. Idk though, I don’t think they’ve been terribly wolfy, I just don’t like the Abbi push because I think she’s obvtowning, but idk how much experience Zug has with her and I also think it’s not the easiest push to make.

Fair enough. I liked Zug before that too, I just was kinda re-evalling and wasn’t sure why I trusted Zug and did remember not liking their Abbi push so I figured maybe they are mafia and I was just wrong on them beign town

[WindwardAway]

VOTE: lol

Moving here now that I’ve actually given my reads.

[lol]

I honestly get it voting me out cause my own scumreads is basically me not townreading the slot rather than scumreading

don’t mind it just keep my POE in mind, if i was less confident i would probably try solving more and appear townier.
this might be an ego or hubris thing but this game feels kinda easy to me so if u want to give me a chance wait for d2-d3 and im either bang on and pogging or my reads suck and i’ll end up revealing more about my alignment

[PrincessAbigail]

@PrincessAbigail

Town Core

May - I guess the wolfiest thing about may from my perspective is that they are trying to shake up the consensus. This might be good if we are stagnating into town mills while the wolfs are deep but the problem is that wolfs want a wide net so killing townies is easier its why I cling so tightly to my town core reads until FX limiting the PoE and not expanding it is extensive beneficial to town. Now this isn’t always the case but when I’m wolf I try to build a smaller town core so that I have more leeway to snap onto whatever town wagon comes up when I need to.

Cait - This is hard for me I think like the wolfiest thing I have for Cait is that she feels so detached from the game. She feels like she doesn’t want to be here which is in her wolf meta since she hates wolfing. With that said she’s been doing that more often as town lately like she needs to be excited and attached to a game or she gets behind and loses investment. So is it wolfy here? I dunno hard for me to say but since I think literally everything else she’s doing is in her town range I’m gonna say no.

Arctic - The things that have pinged me about Arctic I’ve talked about in depth and I don’t really think I should need to say them again. They’ve been pertinent enough that people thought I had an overall scum read so.

Garfooled - while I think it’s towny that they have voted ignored any case against their scum read and doubled down on it. I think that’s also the wolfiest thing about the slot is the absolute lack of reeval and that everything is selected with humor. shrugs still think the defiance is towny though.

Psy - Umm honestly I guess the only thing that worries me about you is that I sometimes get wrongfully pocketed but what I see as purity. You’re asking a lot of questions and drawing conclusions from them and I find that excessively towny but I’ve been pocketed by that before. Since my whole read on you is purity vibes and that’s where I’m most susceptible to failure.

Luka - I think that some of their thoughts don’t add up really they go from defending slots to not they go from wanting to trust me to blatantly ignoring me. I dunno if that’s wolfy their progression seems real but it’s so fast and sometimes out of left field.

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[WindwardAway]

Lol’s iso is a whole lot of nothing, and he has this list of guava/Zug/me iirc where he said there have to be two scum in there and never explained why

I think he voted me earlier with no explanation? I know he voted Zug in that post and then voted me and said because someone asked nicely (couldn’t find who it was or if he was joking). Note that he never touched guava, out of the three of those names he listed.

[lol]

like realistically the only person i can see pushing down the poe to make it wider is psyx but i dont feel like doing that and beyond that a lot o f my townreads are super confident for the most part dont see what there is to solve game is over go home

[PrincessAbigail]

@Luka

oh my tiers are
Town
Lean town

My tiers are

Town Core.

Scum.

[WindwardAway]

@lol

I honestly get it voting me out cause my own scumreads is basically me not townreading the slot rather than scumreading

If I tell you that I am definitely town, and you choose to believe me, that only leaves guava and Zug. Isn’t that problematic?

[Caitlin]

@lol

like realistically the only person i can see pushing down the poe to make it wider is psyx but i dont feel like doing that and beyond that a lot o f my townreads are super confident for the most part dont see what there is to solve game is over go home

Your PoE was Windy/Guava/Zug right?

[lol]

why would being 2/2 be problematic

[WindwardAway]

Because I have a feeling they’re not both scum

[Caitlin]

Lol if you’re so sure on everyone then why is for example Luka town